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| zvončica9. 09. 2021 10:59:42 |
Mirank, but that's high. Froelich's gentian is rarely found above 2000 m.
Velkavrh, the bellflower in picture 7 should just be shrubby bellflower. I've never seen or heard anywhere that someone calls it scree bellflower.
The gentianella is Julian gentianella, not Bertoloni's.
You found quite a nice number of flowers though. Regards
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| bos9. 09. 2021 11:34:09 |
Please help, yesterday at Spodnji Rokav.
Thanks in advance
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| velkavrh9. 09. 2021 17:44:55 |
Julian gentianella grows in the Julians and is newly confirmed or renamed. It doesn't grow in KSA and Karavanke. It is stated as Slovenian endemic.
In Small flora of Slovenia six species are listed that grow here. At starting points we will often see also the highest gentianella-many-flowered gentianella. I often see common gentianella and blackish-violet or mountain gentianella too. Bertoloni's should according to Small flora of Slovenia grow in Trnovski gozd, for Einsle's I have no site noted. From literature I somehow found out that under Umik Žrela grows Einsle's gentianella.
But I read articles from Proteus -March 2013 -in which three authors explain that now it is called Bertoloni's gentianella -Julian gentianella and it is endemic of Julians.
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| zvončica9. 09. 2021 18:39:09 |
Velkavrh, you didn't understand my note on the gentianella correctly. I kindly remarked that it's Julian gentianella. Just briefly: Julian gentianella is Slovenian endemic. Until 2013 Julian gentianella in Slovenia was known as Bertoloni's gentianella, but now it's considered that the latter grows only in Apuan Alps (NW Italy and SE France). The plants differ and so our gentianella was described as new species and thus "became" new Slovenian endemic. In the article in Proteus magazine March 2013 it is among other things stated that the name Julian gentianella is even somewhat misleading, because its distribution area exceeds Julian Alps. Actually in Slovenian it could even be called Slovenian gentianella. Julian gentianella is also found in some places in Kamnik Alps and NE part of Trnovski gozd. I recommend the article on Julian gentianella to everyone who wants to know more about this cute flower. Regards
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| velkavrh10. 09. 2021 07:48:26 |
zvončica, so it's probably not exactly known whether under Umik Žrela grows the Slovenian endemic Julian gentianella or Einsle's gentianella. This gentianella under Umik Žrela blooms at this time and not before. In June when I went down from the Czech hut here I saw no leaves of gentianellas. They always bloom so late. But I always find in the Julians those Julian gentianellas that bloom at least a month earlier. This year I saw them on scree under Štabci, when they bloomed together with rhodiola (valley of Triglav lakes). They are really also similar in height, leaves and flower size to those from under Umik Žrela. But I don't have such quality photos of flowers to study them. Maybe some of our real botanists should study this.
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| velkavrh10. 09. 2021 15:33:34 |
I played a bit identifying Ločanka's flowers of the Carnic Alps. I've walked there many times myself. Hope I didn't mess up too much.
1.small pasqueflower - also grows here
3.smallest globeflower - also grows here
6.and 8.-pot-bellied bellflowers - not 100%, because those little bellies can mislead - grow here
7.-yellow mountain poppy - most likely Rhaetian - not necessarily - grows here
9.-evergreen rockjasmine - grows here
10.-rockjasmine, which I also find there, I know it belongs to the furrowed ones - doesn't grow here
11.-alpine sow-thistle - hard to determine which, definitely not spatulate or narrow-leaved.
12.- I think alpine catchfly - I've seen it myself - doesn't grow here
13.-cinquefoil - could be golden or Crantzer's - I mix them - grow here
15.-bearded bellflower - grows here
16.-prickly thrift - grows here .
I definitely congratulate Ločanka for the photographed flowers!
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| ločanka10. 09. 2021 17:28:35 |
velkavrh, thanks for your effort!
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| velkavrh11. 09. 2021 05:52:46 |
ločanka I hope at least next season we see each other on some nice hikes where flowers will delight. These two corona years I hiked little. I already have research botanical plans for next year. Next year I'll go look for those murke on Košuta ridge - two new ones are mentioned. And around Stol I still have a debt, and Begunjščica. Missed many beautiful mountain flowers this year - tasselled foxtail lily, Triglav edelweiss etc. LP.
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| darinka412. 09. 2021 09:32:51 |
Yesterday's from Bavšice to Mali Grintavec.
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| velkavrh12. 09. 2021 13:57:55 |
A bit solving undetermined mountain flowers of Tater. For the flower presented below I figured it's cat's paws. Don't know which ones though. In the bulletin of flowers of Črna prst four are listed - forest, Norwegian, low and Hoppe's. Haven't seen them on Črna prst yet.
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| zvončica14. 09. 2021 12:24:48 |
What a beautiful collection, darinka4. Greetings
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| velkavrh16. 09. 2021 07:40:23 |
silvij -cross-leaved gentian has wonderfully bloomed - nice photos.
Under no. 1. probably alpine cowslip - leaves not visible. Similar flower also has small pasqueflower.
Under no. 2 narrow-leaved alpine sow-thistle, which grows in Julians and is endemic.
For no. 8.and 9. I wouldn't claim it's Julian gentianella, which grows there as endemic.
No. 12.- only two possible - either mountain or Triumfetti's. Exact determination by examining the hairs of the bract. Mountain has black, Triumfetti's brown.
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| zlatica16. 09. 2021 14:04:22 |
I would supplement the debate on the previous page with what I learned from "malenka", that Einsele's gentian has slightly smaller flowers than Julian gentian and almost straight spurs.
in the continuation I'm posting Einsele's gentian, which I found a couple of days ago on the terrain in Vrata valley on rocky terrain by Triglavska Bistrica.
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| velkavrh16. 09. 2021 20:14:12 |
Forwarding two pictures of gentians from Umik Žrela. Here the spurs look different from those on zlatica's pictures. The next three pictures of gentians I took on the scree under Štapci (took them end of July this year) - there grow ropontike, the last flowering ones I also pictured then. Looks like they are the same as zlatica's.
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| zvončica17. 09. 2021 21:32:48 |
Zlatica, you can't imagine nicer photos of Einsele's gentian and its spurs. Really beautiful!
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