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| Apolonija15. 07. 2013 22:19:52 |
15.7.2013 This črna murka grows on Planina Konjščica.
You're right, gozdni črnilec, the first one is enocvetka - Moneses uniflora. It's poorly visible, I need to take another camera.
Also, your kislica is, in my opinion, stebelna snežna kislica /Rumex nivalis Hegetschw/.
And Jeglič? Matter of debate. I'd say it's the dolgocvetni one, not the moknatega. The corolla tube is /it seems to me/ longer than the calyx, which distinguishes them.
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| velkavrh16. 07. 2013 04:20:03 |
I have a brand new handbook by Hoppe, which lists quite a few kislic. Apski kislec really isn't, because it's a different flower, although very similar to kislica. Alpska kislica is already the right genus - that's the large plant that needs to be removed from pastures and overgrows alps and loves moisture. From genus Rumex there is also planinska kislica and mala. Snežna kislica is listed under Rumex nivalis, so it's a subspecies as you stated - stebelna snežna kislica.
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| Apolonija16. 07. 2013 10:02:48 |
Good analysis- Tell me please, how did you figure out that the rapontika had already bloomed out. I have no experience with it.
Did you check the link for alpine flowers that I wrote to you?
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| otiv16. 07. 2013 10:47:40 |
@Apolonija hello!
I also browsed a bit for rapontika on the internet and found that it blooms in June and July. So I think Branetova's didn't bloom.
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| velkavrh16. 07. 2013 13:31:47 |
I don't know, to me it looked like the flowers were dry. I even touched them. But I saw it for the first time. Otherwise I've been to Štabce dol or up many times, but I didn't know it then. It would be good to know if it blooms later or earlier than kranjska lilija. There were full scree fields of kranjske lilije or zlatega jabolka on Štabcah. But in the new Hoppe handbook there's the same picture as the one I took. He also writes that it blooms from July to September. Around Triglav lakes or Bogatina I'll go again around mid-August, because I want to photograph both types of košutnik well. I know one blooms earlier. Currently I haven't found blooming clusijev petoprsnik either, no high-alpine zvončice, and except for two blue glavinci no others. I want to identify them exactly. I also want to identify exactly this white small stuff - peščenke, popkoresi, črvinke. I mix up all poponi too. For relikanijeva murka there won't be a problem, because I know quite a few sites. For alpska možina I'll go to Črno prst on 1 August. I'd like to find, for example, šopasti repušnik, and maybe dvobarvno kosmatuljo. L.P.
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| Apolonija16. 07. 2013 13:37:22 |
Oh Vito, what are you doing in this nice weather? No flowers? You know, I think like this: Maybe some have already wilted, some not yet. Maybe Branetova has wilted, maybe just some flowers... Brane /most likely/ knows what he sees and photographs. I'm interested in how to distinguish an unopened bud from a wilted flower head. But I want to see them, maybe next year. Lp
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| Apolonija16. 07. 2013 13:44:24 |
Brane, you replied while I was writing. I imagine that the bract leaves would be spread apart, in the middle flowers that are drying, browning. But on your picture they look like buds, I don't know. Does this kind of "pondering" get on your nerves?
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| otiv16. 07. 2013 13:45:01 |
Hi Brane! Maybe yours is really already wilted. I looked again at other pictures on the internet with date and altitude where it was photographed and I conclude from that. This year I think all vegetation is a bit delayed
Good luck!
@Apolonija tomorrow I'm going to Slemenova špica.
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| Apolonija16. 07. 2013 13:55:12 |
Otiv, I'm just going by the appearance of the plant and other pics on the net.
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| velkavrh16. 07. 2013 14:02:45 |
Midweek, I'm going to Planina Pekol and from there to one of the Špiki. Already looking forward to it. Weekend then a tour from bivouac below Kočna to bivouac below Grintavec on Grdi graben and Ovnov čer. I really like this path.
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| Apolonija16. 07. 2013 14:28:30 |
I admire your motivation for identifying flowers. You'll surely find kosmatulja on Č.p.
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| Apolonija16. 07. 2013 21:10:59 |
Just skimmed, will look more closely later. First picture: green wolf's tongue-Coeloglossum viride. What do you say about alpine cepetuljka Chamorchis alpina???
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| velkavrh16. 07. 2013 21:28:13 |
I compared both flowers again and they are similar in some way. I found only one plant, typical for the tongue; cepetuljke usually grow in groups. I compared Hoppe's pictures and Strgar's and Alenka's. Flowers lined along the stem to the top are closer together on the tongue, spaced on cepetuljka. But I saw this flower for the first time. On Veliki Špič both grow.
I think I've botanically finished with this tour. The rest is not suitable for posting. Sometimes I photograph a flower five times with no success. Now with new camera much better, of course. L.P.
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| otiv16. 07. 2013 21:41:33 |
Brane, for flower comparison try to zoom as close as possible to the flower so details are visible which are very important for similar flowers. Same for your first flower today. I'd agree with Apolonija comparing internet pics.
Best regards!
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| Apolonija16. 07. 2013 21:49:18 |
I haven't seen either orchid yet, but I'd like to. V. Ravnik writes precisely about jezik that it can grow in groups. Cepetuljka is the only orchid growing high in the mountains—1500 to 2500, has grass-like leaves and is low. Jezik has a stem up to 25 cm high and is leafy to the spike inflorescence. Leaves are oval below, upper ones like sheath leaves. Not well visible on the pic, you know. Lp
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| Apolonija16. 07. 2013 22:56:16 |
16.7.2013 While looking at your little flowers I learned something again, Brane. I think there is more difference between both zlaticas in basal leaves than in flower. The alpine one has thickly toothed leaf margins, the other has narrow lanceolate ones.
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| velkavrh17. 07. 2013 04:37:17 |
Hoppe's is actually my first handbook on alpine flora. We had a small pocket booklet but it got lost somewhere. From the library I really had everything. Right in this Hoppe's handbook there's an ad for Vlado Ravnik's handbook—Alpine flowers of Slovenia, which would probably be more suitable for me and I have to get it. Hoppe's handbook is excellent, but it's aimed at a more general European alpine audience. Missing for example are our locally well-known mountain flowers like the Kamnik primrose and I could list more, and the names are sometimes different, so when I quote it or find something in it, I also give the Latin name. I posted a review of this handbook here. In Planinski vestnik exactly the same opinion is published, but I didn't copy it, I figured it out myself.
True though, sometimes when photographing I'm too hasty and satisfy too quickly with the shot and forget primarily the leaves, which are of great importance in identification. When I then figure it out at home I kind of regret that I didn't try harder.
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| Apolonija17. 07. 2013 14:48:43 |
I also have a pocket booklet on alpine flora, then several Wraber books, including his 2x200 alpine plants, Ravnik's, which basically has watercolors of alpine flowers. In it botanical characteristics are emphasized, which is sometimes useful. I really like his Orchids of Slovenia. In none do you find everything. Then you search the net, where "Zaplana" and Alenka help, and Peter and sometimes Miljko. Since I'm interested in all other plants too, I have quite a bit more. Simple and clear is, for example, What is blooming here?/D.Aichele-M.Golte-Bechtle/.
I believe that a person when photographing is not always attentive to everything, it depends on various circumstances too... That's why we learn and it drives us forward..smile
One more thing: when did you post the review, so I don't search too much. Long ago?
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