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| keber119. 07. 2013 09:16:39 |
The gentian was actually a bit darker than on the photo, so I have the feeling it was black. But can black and red be distinguished in any other way? Are there also intermediate variants? I have a photo of a red gentian from Ogradi (last year) and it's much less "colorful" - true, it's not the same lens, the camera is the same.
I should get both together nearby, I hope it works next weekend in the Fužinske gore.
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| velkavrh19. 07. 2013 09:59:58 |
There are quite a few novelties with gentians. Peter Strgar from Bohinj knows most about it. This year I came across a gentian similar to the Kamnik one at two locations - on the Velo polje pasture and at Veliki Špič. Hybrids appear too. Black doesn't exist here at all - it's Relikanijeva (black). Apparently black grows only in Scandinavia. As much as I had the opportunity to observe black and red this year, I found only that on the same sites red starts blooming much earlier. At Veliki Špič I found red, the new one like Kamnik, no black at all. Similarly no black around Vodnik hut yet. At Pekol pasture both grew somehow together - reds fully blooming, blacks still in buds.
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| Apolonija19. 07. 2013 13:45:59 |
Keber, go look at it one more time  and photograph it. I wonder if the sun illuminated it so much that it blushed. On the other hand, a few days ago I saw blacks much lower, which, as Brane says too, have just started to "open". Maybe otiv would say: "It's not that important, the main thing is that it's beautiful..."
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| Apolonija19. 07. 2013 14:40:19 |
19.7.2013 Brane, if you feel like discussing: I didn't know the Kranj stonecrop. I thought it was S.moschata and then I recognized the differences /if I'll remember them/. I looked at your second stonecrop again, which you named evergreen /S.aizoides/. Well, I know this one quite well and I think it's not. Probably more the Homulic S.sedoides. What do you think?
Which little flower is on otiv's last picture? Could it also be a stonecrop?
What tipped the balance for you to decide it's the spring pimpernel?
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| velkavrh19. 07. 2013 15:59:54 |
No it's not stonecrop, it's stemless catchfly - I have it under no. 10 from the last tour.
For the pimpernel I really didn't check the leaves, otherwise I already know the difference between triglav and spring one. They were beautiful, that's why I photographed them.
Here they divide the furrowed stonecrops into three subspecies. All three grow in high mountains. One is also the Kranj stonecrop. It has wide, egg-shaped, yellowish petals and is endemic to Julian and Kamnik Alps at least that's what Alenka L.P. writes.
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| otiv19. 07. 2013 16:46:51 |
The little flowers bloom merrily for us,
they don't tell their own names.
How to determine their name for them,
if even Uncle Google doesn't know it.
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| Apolonija19. 07. 2013 19:26:57 |
Oh, Brane, we didn't understand each other, you know I know Silene acaulis well. I'm talking about Vito's "triglav picture", where there's only one flower, before Keber's and after yours. This one seems to me it could also be the homulic saxifrage. If I'm bothering you, say so.
Vito, you write poetry well. Maybe you know the name of your little flower yourself.
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| otiv19. 07. 2013 20:09:22 |
It's the same as Brane's, that's what I think, so it's Kranj saxifrage. If I'm wrong, I'll pay for the drink again
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| velkavrh19. 07. 2013 21:40:39 |
Vito is right, it's the Kranj one, which I saw yesterday on Špik above Nos at 2500m. I even touched its leaves and they are soft to the touch and on the picture you can see, although poorly, yellowish flowers. I can already distinguish leaves of certain ones. The hardest are of course the limestone ones of the encrusted, lanceolate and long from Host's, and hard similar to mossy cluster ones. Starry, wedge-leaved and round-leaved are a chapter of their own. I haven't seen starry, blue-green and evergreen ones this year. In my saxifrage collection I have a new one this year - opposite-leaved purple one. I should go around Krn to find another of that color. I know that on Jezersko near Kozji vrh there grows one whose name I don't know - I know it's tall, pyramidal growth - I think it's the beautiful one. I need to learn well to distinguish the hop-like, Howarth's and evergreen, because they are similar. The mossy one we really can't mix up - I always admire that moss of his. I've already seen this year those tiny buds on that frozen moss how carefully they peek and break through to the surface. Last year I planned to research saxifrages more, but I didn't get far. Same with small bellflowers. I haven't seen Zois's this year - only leaves peeking from rock crevices. Alenka presented saxifrages well in two parts. I mostly use her presentations for checks. Good is also the huge collection of Petrov's more Bohinj flowers. And on Zaplan - I like to look. L.P.
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| Apolonija19. 07. 2013 23:12:40 |
Thanks, guys. Brane, you put a lot of effort into it. Some are plant photos, some are experiences with them in nature. I'd like to distinguish them well too. But for this one on Vito's picture I'm still not quite sure it's Kranj one.
Yellowish is also the hop-like...Beautiful saxifrage - S. cotyledon. I've seen a lot of them on passes in Switzerland. They grow on silicate soils...Lp
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| velkavrh20. 07. 2013 03:59:41 |
Good morning! Early morning, good morning. This Vito's picture didn't give me peace, so I compared it with my four, which also aren't perfect. The first is hop-like, and I recognized it as evergreen but that wasn't right. On the second picture it's another species I haven't determined yet. On the third and fourth it's the Kranj one. Although the picture is worse, you can see that Kranj has leaves slightly similar to Dryas, more closed flower I say, than hop-like whose leaf flower is more open and not so distinctly similar to Dryas. Kranj has five petals, Vito's has more petals, which is well visible. Back to the second picture - I didn't recognize this saxifrage, so I didn't present it. It's interesting. It has five white corolla leaves, in between slightly smaller and shorter calyx leaves, so the flower looks 10-pointed. According to Hoppe it should be stemless saxifrage - Saxifraga aphylla - saxifrage.
While listing saxifrages I forgot Bursar's, which has the largest flowers among saxifrages and blooms first, so it's hard to catch. I haven't seen it this year - last year on Storžič. Vito made nice pictures of it this year.
Regarding beautiful saxifrage - yes, at the foot of Kozji vrh there's some strange rock and supposedly it grows there. I haven't seen it yet. I'll try to find it this year, it should be blooming right now.
I'd like to find that red one in Krn mountain range too. L.P.
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| otiv20. 07. 2013 06:16:41 |
Good morning!
The sun is rising hot, go see what flower is blooming.
Brane my picture isn't the clearest, it's a scanned picture, so hard to compare with other similar ones. At first glance it seems like Kranj saxifrage, but to be 100% sure I'm not certain. I photographed it on the ridge towards Triglav summit.
Nice day!
Apolonija, is the picture from your home rockery? Nice!
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| Apolonija20. 07. 2013 12:29:41 |
Good day! I also get up very early, but often can't get to the computer soon.
Your saxifrage, Vito, will probably remain without a proper name. The hop-like really has a more open flower, as you say, Brane. But on some pictures it doesn't, especially if wet, older... It has calyx lobes longer and wider than corolla ones, leaves entire-margined. Because of that I bet on it.
I hope tonight there will be another nice picture with a known or unknown one.
I'm attaching only today's from the garden. Recognize it, right, although not such intense colors. Lp
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| velkavrh20. 07. 2013 15:27:11 |
In the rock garden on Kravc I had planted Dalmatian houseleek, which seedling I bought and it was similar to it. Of course I already admired silver houseleek this year in nature on Črna prst right below Jelinčič hut. That silver houseleek can be bought I didn't know. I saw Golob-Klančič catalog recently and don't remember it being there.
Majda's first flower is Traunfellner's whitlow-grass - not fully bloomed yet, second is Austrian chickweed, which is blooming everywhere now.
I'll go only on Monday again to botanize my Zelenica with surroundings. This time I'll extend to Svačica and Celovška hut and Stol. On Monday I see sun drawn for Stol. I'll have the whole day available. L.P.
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| Majdag20. 07. 2013 16:46:51 |
. ..Velkavrh, thanks
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| velkavrh20. 07. 2013 17:29:54 |
Today I have housework - homemade vegeta, pickling string beans, harvesting chard, tomorrow to the hot springs for the whole day.
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| Apolonija20. 07. 2013 22:30:08 |
Thanks for the "flower addition", Brane, and soak well. Will you please say if you'll meet madronščica also on Monday? Alpine full-grown at about 500m.
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