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Avalanche equipment

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GričarA24. 11. 2010 15:50:34
Maybe someone knows about some winter course in the Savinja area or a course in the Kamnik-Savinja Alps?
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otiv24. 11. 2010 16:20:00
GričarA!
Turn to the Mountaineering Association Celje. I think their alpinism section organizes such a course.nasmehLP
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JusAvgustin7. 12. 2010 17:54:38
Better too often than too seldom!

Movement in mountains in winter conditions:
When we head into snowy mountains in winter, we must be prepared for certain facts: low temperatures, shorter day, closed mountain huts, fewer people in the mountains, markers hidden under snow, icy technical protections on paths, more extreme weather conditions, constant presence of two dangers - slip and avalanches.

* the first measure to reduce slip risk is increasing our stability with hiking poles,
* for easier tours up to the forest line we can use hiking boots to which we easily strap 4-point crampons or one of many types of hiking crampons,
* for ascents above the forest line we use boots with stiffer soles and 12-point crampons,
* when we assess that we wouldn't stop safely in case of a possible slip, we stow the hiking poles and take the ice axe in hand,
* learn self-arrest with ice axe and walking with crampons. Before the winter season, practice both on a slope with safe runout,
* be careful of snow clumps (crampon balls) that form on crampons,
* let not the snow conditions at the tour starting point influence whether we take ice axe and crampons, as conditions change with altitude and time,
* monitor data on snow conditions, temperature and wind, and reports on avalanche danger level. Don't go to mountains during and a few days after heavy snowfall and forecasted thaws,
* don't blindly trust the track ahead but assess ourselves if we're moving in safe terrain,
* perform snowpack stability test. At increased danger, abort ascent or continue with safety distance,
* before moving on snow, turn on and test avalanche beacons. Have avalanche probe and shovel in backpack. Don't let use of these tools boost overconfidence,
* so far the most effective avalanche aid is backpack with integrated airbag,
* learn searching with avalanche beacon and proper digging out of buried. When searching with beacon, remove cell phones,
* when moving in mountains on skis, be aware it doesn't affect conditions, so carry all necessary technical gear,
* if we assess we can't control the descent due to snow conditions and our skiing skills, descend on foot,
* when skiing near groomed slopes, don't be misled by false security of slope proximity but be aware we must follow all rules for safer movement in winter conditions.

In addition to the above, follow some more guidelines:

* use quality personal gear that protects from cold and moisture,
* carry enough spare clothing and warm fluids in backpack,
* in fog and strong wind better abort ascent,
* on ridges wind creates wind slabs that can release under our weight, so walk a few meters below ridge on leeward side. On windward side under slab there's almost always a layer of hard snow that releases as slab avalanche under load.

Jani Bele, Commission for Information and Analysis GRZS

source: http://www.pzs.si/index.php?stran=Novice&novica_id=5303
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ljubitelj gora7. 12. 2010 18:19:12
thanks for the advice
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lingo7. 12. 2010 18:23:37
another gem from a classic mountaineering ignoramusjezen
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Fazo7. 12. 2010 18:33:07
...are you one of those who last year on TV news said he has all personal gear because he has gaiters?velik nasmehsecond video
with what you wrote you obviously want to be a hero of the black chronicle. To be honest, I don't care about you, as it would at least teach you (maybezmeden), but I do care about all those who would come to rescue youjezen
One can't believe such ignoramuses exist. Maybe it's best you go on some expedition to Himalaya, since you have super good Gore-Tex gaiters that would surely come in handy there, as there's allegedly lots of snow this year! There's just the call for Makalu 2011 on PZS. Click! Surely you've been 10x in mountains in winter and 10x in Alps, and in Croatia you've also reached some summit, so you meet all conditions! Think about it, such opportunity rarely comes!
Otherwise I'm wondering if that condition you're in hurts you?zmeden
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JusAvgustin7. 12. 2010 19:06:22
just that there are gaiters and good pants... triplet? why, I don't need avalanche triplet! crampons? yeah I have, but don't know how to walk with them, ice axe? ah why, I'm not climbing... winter boot? yeah, are you crazy, it costs over 200 euros... Norwegian, Swiss method? yeah I've heard something, but it takes too much time or I don't know how to do it...zmeden
the closer we get to real winter (winter conditions already), the more warnings on portal and advice, the less I understand people's awareness of winter dangers. Sad that human life has a price...
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amyZ7. 12. 2010 19:13:07
I've now got myself some poles, actually I got them for these holidays now and gaiters for snow. Gaiters have nothing to do with safety, just protection from wet pants and consequently legs. Otherwise I have good hiking boots.
I don't have crampons, nor ice axe or similar stuff, that's why I don't go to higher peaks, but stick to lower, more visited ones. For example this weekend I went to Krim. For my preparation and fitness it was more than enough.
Anyway geolog79, ice axe is good also if you slip, so you can catch yourself on it, not just for climbing. It's true all this gear costs. So you don't tempt fate and go, like me for example, to less dangerous and steep areas.
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JusAvgustin7. 12. 2010 19:18:48
otherwise it's the same every year!jezen winter comes and you all rush in. do you need crampons and ice axe for ascent? I don't have ice axe and crampons, is it safe enough without them? and then someone says you don't need crampons and ice axe not knowing that conditions (can) change completely overnight! and then someone comes and "boasts" that ascent to high mountains in winter conditions is a walk, that Triglav (example) is reachable without winter gear, that conditions reporters are absolutely exaggerating and folk should ignore us! only when avalanche sweeps our self-absorbed ass away, then we'll ask "damn why don't I know how to use transceiver and why didn't I go properly equipped into the woods?
you can't believe it! will this year's harvest be as full as last year? how many went?(rest in peace) that's why, it's all for that. gaiters and pants, maybe something to drink! I spit on that!
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ljubitelj gora7. 12. 2010 19:27:31
geolog79
It all depends on which mountain we go to. I aimed for lowland ones, those that are very trodden, unproblematic, safe etc, not like Kredarica in winter time or some Stol or Mojstrovka...
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aljazek7. 12. 2010 19:34:02
Lowland ones are usually so underestimated that something happens even earlier.

- nicely trodden: aha, then usually ice forms on the path earlier and higher chance of slipping...or some limb breaks
- unproblematic, safe: well, sooner or later Nature will show you that it's only apparent or conditions can change quickly
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JusAvgustin7. 12. 2010 19:34:08
why do you think it was aimed at you? you're not the only one on the portal. "Anyway geolog79, ice axe is good also if you slip, so you can catch yourself on it, not just for climbing. It's true all this gear costs. So you don't tempt fate and go, like me e.g., to less dangerous and steep areas." obviously you didn't understand what I wanted to say with my previous post...nasmeh
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bele jani8. 12. 2010 08:41:57
No need to go high into mountains. Post on TK Gora, Saturday, Jakob pri Katarini:
Below I notice that a quite big avalanche had already gone from Roga to NW side, and it avalanched also north of Jakob ridge above the farm in 30m width
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PrimožL8. 12. 2010 09:29:41
Or such popular and underestimated Kamniški vrh. On Sunday afternoon I counted as many as 4 small avalanches.
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tol9. 12. 2010 18:06:24
If anyone needs I can arrange Pieps freeride probe (new, with warranty, from Slovenian shop) for 127 eur.

info private.
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tol9. 12. 2010 19:13:44
indeed.

Well when there's no more action, they'll still be available at 127 eur price velik nasmeh
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