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| Gora Trma9. 05. 2014 23:31:29 |
Peter2, this is supposed to be a response to your post.
On 27.03.2013, when writing about this topic started on this forum, we wrote:
"The accounts of MPM ENGINEERING d.o.o. have been blocked from early December 2012 until today (source 1: www.ajpes.si, source 2: www.bizi.si).
In the article from the newspaper Delo, for which a link is posted in one of the above posts and dated 31.01.2013, Mr. Boštjan Čokl, the owner of the company, stated that they would be unblocked in two weeks."
Zmaja007 on 06.05.2014 writes that the account has been blocked for 515 days.
This means the accounts have been blocked continuously all this time, while Mr. Čokl says what was written in Delo on 31.01.2013.
Of course, if you know where Mr. Čokl used to work and where he performed his tasks in that job and connect that with the results of his current companies and projects, you can conclude that the main activity officially is something he doesn't have registered as an activity.
Go visit the Eko hotel in Bohinjska Bistrica and the water park next to it and form a picture first-hand. You can find out quite a lot this way without special research. From the data provided by Zmaja007, even more concrete things can be determined, but personally I don't believe it's just what's visible, it might be much much more.
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| viharnik20. 05. 2014 21:29:10 |
Regarding the "tenting" on Rjavina, today in the Preverjeno section our seasoned GRS guys with lots of experience in our mountains, probably also foreign practice, decisively characterized the case as indisputable.
Of course TNP "masters" still thrash their straw, that emergency bivouacking in mountains is an offense.
With that money they get from Europe, they could go see in Switzerland, France or Austria how they tolerate the "issue" of overnight emergency bivouacking. Of course there's no sleep or comfort in emergency bivouac, just mental and physical rest of the body in half-sleep and above all fight for safe return to the valley. I would make those TNP guys sleep without clothes on Kredarica in winter, like Tomaž Humar once filmed the show Odklop in a snow hole. Maybe then after experiencing it on their own skin they would change their still legally quasi-condemnations. Here it's not about consistent rough enforcement of TNP rules, but about inhuman attitude towards mountaineers, fellow humans.
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| lingo21. 05. 2014 10:44:02 |
what, are you some self-proclaimed lawyer of theirs, you're just reheating things so they don't calm down! And of course you're lecturing because you have two unrealized bivouacs behind you
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| viharnik21. 05. 2014 14:25:07 |
There's still plenty of room in the sandbox for ingots.
But the pressing issue concerns all 60,000 Slovenian mountain visitors, among whom you, judging by the posts, probably don't belong .
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| Zebdi21. 05. 2014 14:25:14 |
viharnik, you probably didn't read the comments on gore-ljudje (which were later deleted), in which one of their members himself admitted that sleeping on the mountain was planned and that they invited people to it via emails.
Not everything that glitters is gold...
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| viharnik21. 05. 2014 14:37:51 |
Zebi, if it were like that, then friend Duško, who was part of the team then, wouldn't have descended from the mountain in the evening. Some even had morning jobs the same day.
Anyway, I can confirm that nowhere except in Slovenia is emergency overnight bivouacking forbidden, be it tent, tent tarp, bivy sack, mini bivy tent. What does anyone care at home how someone protects themselves from wind up there. Ah, if they froze up there, TNP would have a bad conscience, GRS service expensive helicopter rescue on their back. Get sober already and look at the case from a broader perspective, not what they planned, which is completely secondary. Importantly in mountains is the person and execution of safe tour. Some have already naively fallen for TNP after findings from websites, when they just sent bills home. Completely different would it be if TNP had to lay cards on the table in court. Now I'll rather go on picnic to Mišot, Lp! 
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| gorolazka21. 05. 2014 14:56:36 |
From all they typed and showed on TV yesterday I conclude that they intentionally overnighted on the top, although according to SSKJ:
bivakírati -am imperfective and perfective (î) alp. emergency overnighting in the open: they had to bivouac in the wall ♪
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| Zebdi21. 05. 2014 15:11:28 |
viharnik, once again. According to a club member, sleeping on the summit was planned. I'm quite sorry that that comment (along with some others) was removed. According to him, the entire tour execution (from departure time, etc.) was adapted to the goal, namely sleeping on the summit. It wasn't any emergency bivouacking, but a planned action. It's also interesting that after posting that comment, the main actors went quiet too.
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| GregorC21. 05. 2014 18:29:07 |
You have to distinguish between bivouacking and tent camping. Then it doesn't matter if it's planned or not. In this case the supervisor fixated on the tent and for him it's automatically tenting. Anyway, the punishment method is more controversial here. Punishing you because he tracked an internet post, I mean no  .
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| Zebdi21. 05. 2014 18:37:05 |
Yeah, but if they allow this, then we can all go with tents to TNP and bivouac for one night? Even ours will be happy, let alone Eastern European folks who so diligently fill the bivouacs 
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| jax21. 05. 2014 19:39:06 |
Yeah, but if they allow this, then we can all go with tents to TNP and bivouac for one night?
Principally yes. In practice the difference is pretty clear and inspection too is simple. Simply - at night tent can be up anywhere (well, outside private land), daytime only at designated spots (camps). And I think for tenting where you gotta pack by sunrise there aren't that many interested, so no fear of any rush ;-)
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