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MitjaBelak2. 04. 2020 13:42:08
Thanks for the link bogorski. 5+
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GITA3. 04. 2020 22:43:56
Hello my dear forum mates!

I don't know how it is with you, but I really like this forum. And it's really sad and hard to watch and read how topics are being trashed one after another day by day... with accusations, mocking, sneering, bragging etc... Similar to what @funnyboy already wrote... I rarely speak up in such debates, this time though...

Unlike some, it doesn't even cross my mind to complain because I'm not allowed to leave my home municipality or to violate the mentioned decree. Especially not because of those who are at this moment in infinitely worse position than me. I have in mind primarily healthcare workers, shopkeepers, civil protection members, all employed in companies that continue operating. They are the ones exposed daily to the risk of infection, consequently their families too. Those are real worries!!! Not that right now we can't go to Viševnik or anywhere else. And that our fitness might drop because of it, our ascent time worsen etc... And at the same time it doesn't occur to me to be envious of those living in more "mountainous" municipalities... Even if I lived there, I wouldn't venture into high mountains, nor onto closed mountain paths... probably no need to explain why not. A bit more empathy in these times wouldn't hurt many. I'd sink into the ground with shame if because of my own egoism and consequently a possible accident (we know they happen even to the best) I'd occupy an intensive care bed for someone who got infected with the virus and is in critical condition. And additionally burden rescuers, doctors and other medical staff...

I understand the feeling of need for movement, because I feel exactly that too... and if it's really just about the need for movement, I ask you... do you know various paths and trails that you have maybe a few hundred meters behind your home? They may not lead to two-thousanders, maybe no one will applaud or congratulate you for walking them or give likes, but believe me, they satisfy the need for movement. It's kind of embarrassing to admit, but I'm a Ljubljanian from birth. For the last quarter century I live "a stone's throw" from Šentvid (above Ljubljana). But in life until today I haven't been to Šentviški hrib. Today for the first time. The start of one of the trails is say 200 meters behind the home. We walked a beautiful route, and I really couldn't wonder enough how beautiful world I have practically in front of my home courtyard. Or yesterday... we did a quite long walk (almost 13 km) along the Sava... wonderful path! For a similar one, two years ago we drove almost 200 km to the starting point...

I also can't go to many places I want. Not even to nearby Polhograjce. On foot I could get there in less than an hour, but what, since I'd soon find myself in the neighboring municipality. Or the case of Šmarna gora... I love it infinitely, practically under my nose, but what, two days ago when we circled it on the Path of Freedom to avoid the top, we found out we stepped a bit into Vodice municipality and a bit into Medvode... zadrega... Oops, won't do it again...

Uh, I believe I'm already too long and many didn't reach the end of this writing... but anyway... in every, even the worst thing, something good is found! Let's find it! Let's be grateful for what we have, instead of mourning what we don't! Let's explore our immediate surroundings and discover something beautiful we didn't know until now! Let's be glad we're (for now) healthy. For all those working hard these days, let's respect the decrees and bans, not violate them in mockery to them... And for God's sake, let's keep this forum friendly and readable... for all of us seeking info on it and for both administrators creating it...

I wish you all the best and stay healthy! The mountains will wait!
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MitjaBelak4. 04. 2020 00:02:26
Gita, well written, also in many things I'm on your side, just know something, when you're the vulnerable one, most will simply not give a fuck.. about you. Ego is what lets you breathe. I'm just a man of honesty, but I see that honesty is long since history, and I doubt the sung cataclysm will unite us. It doesn't look like it here already, obviously not bad enough.
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Mako5. 04. 2020 10:47:23
In the general panic, which unfortunately our government is helping to fuel, the climate in Slovenia is getting worse, which is in complete contrast to our numbers regarding the new coronavirus (number of infected, hospitalized and people in intensive care in Slovenia: https://covid-19.sledilnik.org/#/stats, which are very favorable. From the day the epidemic was declared (12. 3., previous government) we have linear growth of confirmed infected. The increase in infected is followed with a few days delay by increase in hospitalized, and with a few more days delay by increase in patients in intensive care. If we consider that covid-19 patients are discharged after about two weeks, we should get a constant number of hospitalized after a good two weeks from the start of linear growth of infected and constant number of people in intensive care a few days later. And that's exactly what the numbers showed: actually the number of hospitalized here is constant since 27. 3., critical since 30. 3. So the numbers are not a reason for additional suspensions of freedoms, which the government ordered a week ago.

Can we expect to get back the lost freedoms soon given the favorable numbers? Unfortunately no, last week the interior minister (1984 minister of love) threatened additional restrictions.

The new government ignores expertise (NIJZ) and politically subordinates it (it only needs it for nodding and confirming its decisions - acting director is the only important official in the country who dared to criticize government measures and restrictions regarding the new coronavirus): https://www.dnevnik.si/1042926446/slovenija/nijz-proti-vladi-zanemarjajo-stroko-in-sankcionirajo-kritike

View of constitutional lawyer, also psychophysical component (fueling fear of the other against the other, one part of Slovenia against the other): https://www.rtvslo.si/kolumne/oblastna-omejitev-svobode-gibanja/519010

View of creative artist on the Righteous (paraphrase yugo zlopamtila: Snow falls so that beasts show tracks.): https://siol.net/siol-plus/kolumne/miha-mazzini-zagrenjena-psiha-teh-nesrecnikov-hoce-vse-stlaciti-v-blato-522218
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pinkerton5. 04. 2020 11:24:15
As Mako states, governments (including ours) mainly help fuel the panic and abolish freedoms, because it's water on their mill. Whoever doesn't obey will be punished, first warned, next time beaten.
From people they will with this slow escalation, as we slowly boil like a frog in a pot, make psychic zombies. Bitter realization that our democracy and normal life was destroyed by one of countless flu strains (no, of course not ordinary flu - because that one at the end of the season will have as many elderly deaths as pneumonia and colds every year) also on its conscience the entire healthy and able-bodied population. The naked emperor will rule, but the empire in ruins.
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bogorski5. 04. 2020 12:00:32
Don't exaggerate ... sooner or later the measures will be relaxed. The population will get through it, because we can't wait a year or more for vaccine. The difference will only be in the transition. Take care of the elderly ...
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MitjaBelak5. 04. 2020 18:05:11
Watch obligatory to the end, think a bit, sleep on it, debate beforehand, then comment. Janša is already changing the record.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol__yiL_nc8

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pinkerton5. 04. 2020 18:43:38
Changing the record, but slower than Kacin in his shows: carrot, stick, carrot, stick ... change every 10 seconds
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dragon5. 04. 2020 22:13:18
1. Here (still) not so critical, probably precisely because of government measures!

2. How can stopping the economy be water on the mill of any government?

3. The expertise that the government should follow more caused outbreaks in Metlika and Šmarje pri Jelšah with its advice. Real tough experts.
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zippo6. 04. 2020 08:36:49
The measures and justifications of these government measures are top strategy of those who have to trumpet what they are told, otherwise they are replaced as we saw.

They said we have to slowly get through it, so that at least 60% get sick and recover and then no more conditions for infection wave, health system will handle it without collapsing.

Elementary school math for lower grade says this:

- After one month from start of measures we have 1000 infected

- Slovenes are 2,000,000

- 60% of population is 1,200,000

- If 1000 get sick each month, for 60% population we need 1,200,000 : 1000 = 1200 months

- 1200 months : 12 = 100 years

Who will be in power in 2120, when measures end? JJ III or IV?
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herman86. 04. 2020 16:04:56
zippo
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SamoK6. 04. 2020 17:02:56
>>Watch obligatory to the end, think a bit, sleep on it, debate beforehand, then comment. Janša already changing record.

>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol__yiL_nc8

I watched it. To the end. Didn't sleep on it ...
More or less very one-sided ranting of "conspiracy theorist", German Nazi, who wants financial support to continue his "conspiracy theory".
In support one (!!!) doctor (or maybe former doctor?) and quite unclear video clips.
Everything else straight from his head.
God help those who believe this.
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Mako6. 04. 2020 19:01:13
@dragon
1. Here it's OK. Very OK. Nothing critical. And the measure banning movement to other municipalities isn't even showing up in these numbers yet. This means that the suspension of this freedom was unnecessary, as the previous measures have already taken hold. And we knew that a good week ago.
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SamoK7. 04. 2020 00:05:38
Lenarčič really said it well here.
But I don't understand why this is proclaimed on the website as "RTV slip-up". The interview proceeds completely normally, the journalist asks completely normally, Lenarčič answers very professionally, convincingly and soberly.
Overall very nice.
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dprapr7. 04. 2020 06:50:43
https://www.delo.si/druzba/panorama/butan-revna-dezela-za-bogate-turiste.html
If I lived there, I wouldn't fly around the world.nasmeh
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MitjaBelak7. 04. 2020 07:41:53
SamoK. I watched it. To the end. Didn't sleep on it ...

Everything can always be presented in one way or in the completely opposite way, the truth is usually somewhere in between. To which stories people believe more is a matter of personal thinking. I have no intention of convincing anyone. That's the whole point.
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SamoK7. 04. 2020 08:44:10
>To which stories who believes more is a matter of personal thinking.

It's been clear for a long time that this is not even a little true. What we believe happens mainly according to emotional disposition, not according to reason. We believe people similar to ourselves, people we see as our "tribe", and "strong", influential individuals.
Reason comes into play only after we have subconsciously already fully decided what the "truth" is.
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turbo7. 04. 2020 21:08:23
Source: RTVSLO, New Coronavirus, caricature of the day
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fpetel18. 04. 2020 07:18:51
Haha - yeah, they could have filmed me too, and I would have ranted.
I'll stick roughly to the regulations, because why expose myself unnecessarily.
These quasi-scientists, who know everything, really get on my nerves.
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