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VanSims21. 05. 2021 02:31:28

True, security guards were a problem before too. There were plenty of such stories before, but they didn't come out because they weren't politically useful to anyone for undermining measures and the opponent. Like during the previous Janša government there were plenty of hungry kids here, after it none anymore.

If this had happened in normal times (for something else) I bet they'd attack her too (in the manner of a true little Slovenian), what does she think she is, how she behaves surely provoked him ...

Of course it's not said that the event isn't inflated, that she really babbled something, resisted, insulted him, ... but there is also the possibility that the event is simply made up. There are probably quite a few Spars in Celje.

As for the wife of the Slovenian diplomat, SIOL reports that she has sadly already died

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Becar21. 05. 2021 07:11:47

Yes, sadly true. Bojana still trumpets that everything is as expected, according to EMEA recommendations.....

This reminds me of online machine monitoring, say operator in comfy control room looks at pressure readings on machine, all OK, machine already purpling from elevated temperature that isn't measured. For operator all OK, because all lights green. nasmeh

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jax21. 05. 2021 07:53:10

Hillbillies during corona, because they didn't follow measures, turned into hobo hillbillies. I pointed this out at the very beginning of the crisis. Worst for them is still coming, which I regret, because exactly on forums it shows as huge anger over situation. If they had united in September last year and followed (even some senseless) measures better, they would long ago have blooming services, including tourism.

Here still waiting for anyone to tell me example of one country that succeeded. There isn't. And don't come now with New Zealand, because regarding those blooming services for sheep in pen not worth wasting words. Obviously hillbillies are global phenomenon.

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SamoK21. 05. 2021 08:16:07

China.

jax21. 05. 2021 08:31:20

You're not serious, are you? Or are you involved in distributing Swiss devices?

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zavest21. 05. 2021 10:34:30

Not only New Zealand and Australia, it succeeded also in North Korea and Turkmenistan.

And Slovenia last year, even military planes flew over us as a sign of victory after the epidemic.

Baaing about sheep in NZ enclosure is approximately as top-notch an argument as bleating about "I don't know anyone who seriously got sick or died from covid" ... and the first case of a known deceased such a person would surely accompany with a comment "ah, he was already old and frail anyway" rolling eyes

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Becar21. 05. 2021 10:36:50

And you zavest, how many deceased from covid do you know? You know what's funny about this. That even all who I know, don't know any deceased. That's already somewhat more unusual, don't you think?

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zavest21. 05. 2021 11:28:54

Lessons on anecdotal evidence you still haven't mastered as expected.

Explain to us what connection there is between how many people someone knows who died from or with covid, or e.g. in a traffic accident.

Such denialist head-in-the-sand approach is moreover disrespectful to the victims and their families.

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VanSims21. 05. 2021 12:42:45

Taiwan and South Korea already have practically the situation as before corona.

Did they have strict quarantines for the infected and arrivals to the country and those in quarantine and strictly monitored the infected with an app there. Woe betide if they found you violating. It wasn't just a monetary fine! Besides, of course, other measures, which just because of the mentioned didn't have to be as strict as with us. Smaller economic damage and faster return to normal.

In Europe there's democracy and human rights, ... it's as it is. And you yourselves protested against monitoring the infected also here, well now you don't like it again.

Additionally in Korea and Taiwan they had only local lockdowns, where there were hotspots. With us in socialist egalitarian Slovenia the whole country. So no one says why them yes, us no!

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Becar21. 05. 2021 13:49:49

Zavest, others understand well (mostly), so I'll try to explain my thinking to you personally.

We live in an epidemic, worse, in a pandemic. This has always meant people dying en masse from some severe deadly disease. For more than a year they show what; halls full of coffins, wreaths on graves, scenes from ICUs where they lie one over the other, people choking, gasping for air, army hauling bodies, crematoriums not coping anymore, healthcare overwhelmed, not enough hospital beds, etc...

Now suppose I know 1000 people. None of them died from covid, nor with covid. Suppose I'm in occasional talk with 100 people who each know 1000 others, that's already 100,000 people. OK, suppose acquaintances overlap, let's say 50,000 people. No one knows anyone who died from covid. How come these 50,000 people haven't seen anywhere even remotely any dying from covid or the scenes described in the previous paragraph. Explain that to me.

Once again, I'm not a covid denier, but this is no epidemic, pandemic, it's the same as having a somewhat worse flu year. Now add to this REAL situation these complications after vaccination. Yes, it's unusual that I know a gentleman who died from clots after vaccination. Now if perhaps you know, just in Europe there are already almost 7,000 OFFICIAL deaths from these complications after vaccination and that's in the first few months of more intensive vaccination. How many unofficial? Probably similar to infections, i.e. at least 4x more. Now calculate how many of these deaths after vaccination will pile up by the end of the year in Europe, estimate what that means worldwide, estimate also possible unforeseen long-term deaths and compare with the official number of deaths WITH + FROM covid. What estimates do you get? smile

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PV21. 05. 2021 14:05:40

If there was a scale from 0 to 10 for measuring the degree of fucked-up-ness - where would the 5, 6 main protagonists of this debate, which isn't one at all or never was, rank? Well, for one I know well he'd be at ten big grin

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korl21. 05. 2021 14:21:44

not sure who you mean, but maybe the one who's currently silent because he's preparing a tirade in Primorska for his daughter who doesn't want to get vaxxed?

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VanSims21. 05. 2021 14:42:26

"We live in an epidemic, worse, in a pandemic. This has always meant people dying en masse from some severe deadly disease."

The premise is already wrong! AIDS was also declared a pandemic but that by no means meant mass dying of people. Not even in risk groups. Not even when there was no treatment yet. And you couldn't exactly say that when they didn't even know yet that condoms and sterile needles protect against it, although there were plenty but not really mass.

Pandemic means nothing else than an epidemic of global dimensions, independent of the number of victims.

7000 deaths from vaccination in Europe? Suppose around 20% of Europeans got two doses. That's 140 million. That means one death per 20,000 people. That means we should have 30 here?

That ambassador is the first I've heard of. Don't worry, the media would have written extensively and trumpeted if there were more.

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Becar21. 05. 2021 16:26:35

DUE TO covid there could have been fewer than 100 deaths here. No autopsies were done, so we'll never know. Some won't ever get what the difference WITH/DUE TO means.

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jax21. 05. 2021 17:16:29

And you, conscience, how many covid deaths do you know? You know what's funny about this. That even everyone I know doesn't know any deceased. That's already a bit more unusual, don't you think?

Here, I know one. He wasn't some close acquaintance, but we knew each other. Regarding comorbidities I don't know, I didn't have access to his records, anyway he didn't look like some serious chronic patient at all.
But the point is different - what will we achieve by house arrests (like they did in one of the countries so close to some speakers)? We'll cause enormous suffering, economic collapse, people will die anyway, and the virus will return the moment we lift the lockdowns. And yes, all the countries you offer as examples of successful virus handling fall into this category. Both New Zealand and South Korea and Taiwan locked down and never opened again. All those who claim everything is normal there, invite some friend from those countries to your home. And you'll see how normal it is. Travel belongs to normality too. Period.

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Becar21. 05. 2021 18:01:32

European Medicines Agency said that people who developed blood clots with low platelet levels after first AstraZeneca dose shouldn't get the second. Source: 24ur

Oh come on! Really? No shit Sherlock velik nasmeh

And that's not all. The European regulator advises everyone who got the first dose to monitor their health for three weeks after vaccination, and in case of health issues turn to their doctor.

Has any of these experts heard that when a clot appears there's no time to drive to the doctor or even call for help?

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Trobec21. 05. 2021 18:44:17

Depends on the clot size and where it stops. Most clots don't cause stroke or heart arrest.

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Becar21. 05. 2021 19:05:46

Aha, then no panic, go get vaccinated.

I heard that at insurance companies you can't get life insurance if you get vaccinated. Does anyone have more info on this?

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zavest21. 05. 2021 19:10:39

Dr. Becar, first cite the source for the number of deaths in EU due to vaccine complications, then we can talk further.

Same for pandemic definition, and by the way check "projection" if it fits mežikanje

Numbers clearly don't go well for you, so your blanket estimates around acquaintances and network aren't worth half a... mežikanje

40 Becars cover whole Slovenia? (40 x 50.000 = 2 mio).

Again, same for your blanket estimate of how many *in your opinion* died of covid here. You shout "where are the autopsies?!", but if they were done you'd complain how "those biased pathologists are part of covid mafia anyway" zavijanje z očmi

We give you sources that at the "final station" (crematories) there was significantly more "traffic" this year, your argument is "those are all suicides and consequences of dysfunctional health system!"

You mention how many health workers won't vaccinate... did you interrogate them too, if they knew any deceased? Or maybe your elderly neighbors and GILFs, surely they know someone who "freed a bed" in nursing home? zavijanje z očmi

For the crown also "I heard that..." - typical anti-vaxx fake news bullshit. Cite source. Or google "life insurance covid vaccine" and be surprised how it's again one of Becar's FB bubble nebulosities zavijanje z očmi

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Becar21. 05. 2021 19:18:25

Source I already cited a few pages back, dig a bit if you have memory issues.

Pandemic definition I know fine, don't take VanSims posts as reference.

You still haven't shared your blanket estimate about your acquaintances, meaning you don't know any covid death, clear to me.

That pathologists are part of covid mafia you probably dreamed, or some SS guy hinted, what nonsense.

We give you sources.....why plural, is that the famous basement on Trstenjakova? nasmeh

No one here ever posted sources from crematories.

In summary: you're a regular internet troll

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