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| turbo5. 12. 2021 11:39:12 |
Once this trouble ends too, the devil if we don't live to see it. Then it will be known who laughs last, who laughs and who is the sweetest. That it will never be again, at least in our lifetime, like before the epidemic outbreak, I'm almost sure. If nothing else, nettles don't freeze, but they have overgrown so much that one can't believe it 
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| Becar5. 12. 2021 11:52:28 |
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| pantani15. 12. 2021 13:07:22 |
Becar, not Facebook no, you know the nettles will jump into the air
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| Becar5. 12. 2021 13:23:06 |
I'd ask for example Vana, Jurčka or Kekec about dr Stuckelberger, scientist, former WHO employee.....
Given that her video is posted on FB, is it an FB doctor? Because I'm interested in your classification, who is expertise and who is FB expertise. Just so I know who I can listen to and what is the definition of expertise. Where must a scientist post video to be credible. Meaning, if posts on FB, is charlatan. Now, obviously we have 2 types of expertise. How should I know which one to trust. Politically appointed, greased with bonuses? What is that key so that I as complete layman know which expertise to trust.
Thanks for answers 
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| Janez525. 12. 2021 14:05:42 |
Becar I will answer you based on my experiences. As long as you're healthy you can be full of doubts which doctor to trust. I in 2014 spent half a year lying in the Oncology Institute and didn't ask anything who to trust and just wished the pains stop. And I'm still grateful to the staff and doctors at OI for all the poisons they dripped into my veins. That's why I'm quite angry when on TV or in newspapers I read that oncology patients have to wait for free beds because all capacities occupied by covid patients. Especially angers me that 70% of hospital capacities occupied by people who didn't want to vaccinate. And what to do when right not to vaccinate and right to oncology treatment collide. For oncology patients I know late is mostly too late.
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| Becar5. 12. 2021 14:37:19 |
Janez you didn't answer my question. It's about two poles of doctors with diametrically opposite opinions. Did you experience the same with cancer?
Where do you get the data that oncology suffers because of covid and even if true, is covid more dangerous than cancer in your opinion? Did you follow occupancy and what happens e.g. in Šempeter hospital? Bešič Loredan said it. Lies make them gasp.
Regarding percentages in covid departments data are also very different or opposite. Dr Nada Jurinčić says actual situation is reverse and it's data manipulation. So say many other whistleblowers from health expertise. And back to original question. Which percentages correct. Bojan's or Nadina's?
I know only one person who was 1 week in hospital, was 2x vaccinated. At home we don't know anyone who died from covid. Why say this. When person sees expertise 1 and expertise 2, relies on own experiences. And mine are that it's bullshit.
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| Janez525. 12. 2021 14:55:36 |
Becar, first thanks for the patient answer. Yes, it's hard to decide whom to trust. I, based on my experiences, trust official medicine. But I don't claim to trust all doctors. Also here we have some greedy ones who sell various potions to oncology patients. Which isn't hard because the more hopeless the situation the more ready to believe in miracles. Regarding vaccination we won't agree easily because everyone first believes self and own conviction. What we can do is talk patiently about it and try to understand other's arguments even if not convincing to us.
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| Becar5. 12. 2021 15:15:32 |
Yes but in both cases we talk about official medicine. Say Dr. Jurinčić has behind her practically whole career, last 8 years dealt with epidemics field, also in Africa.
Shouldn't every individual ask himself what if really not everything as it seems at first glance? Or on other fields also blindly believe served?
At least in my opinion this reminds much more of faith than science.
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| Aljoman5. 12. 2021 16:59:58 |
Some would punish all unvaccinated in a row as if they are guilty for all deaths and infections. Interesting given number of vaccinated and recovered compared to last year.
Tell me kekec, you who are one of wiser on this forum, how will we handle alcoholics, smokers, speed drivers, adrenaline addicts or Sunday stroller who broke leg instead of being home on balcony in fresh air?
Once again, vaccination NOT MANDATORY, health insurance yes.
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| zavest5. 12. 2021 18:25:57 |
> how will we handle alcoholics, smokers, speed drivers, adrenaline addicts or Sunday stroller who broke leg instead of home on balcony fresh air?
You won't believe, answer is very simple. Will handle as until now. Health system can bear it in normal circumstances.
But when in middle of pandemic, it fails. Especially when beds in intensive care 67-75% occupied by unvaccinated. https://covid-19.sledilnik.org/sl/stats#vaccine-effect-chart
Also for Bećar answer completely simple. For him credible all who speak in favor of his conviction.
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| zavest5. 12. 2021 18:33:32 |
Žižek hit the bullseye
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| pantani15. 12. 2021 19:22:40 |
Zwitter: Vaccination by force would only deepen the rift in society
Zwitter also warned that vaccination by force i.e. with fines or severe restrictions for those who don't want to vaccinate would deepen the rift in society even more. "Such a rift as we have here they don't have elsewhere." At that he emphasized another aspect statistics: "Constantly repeated we have only 54 percent vaccinated here. But numbers are such. We have two million one hundred seven thousand inhabitants from which subtract 300 thousand children under 14, subtract also one million 154 thousand with all required doses vaccinated and 382.000 recovered. Minimum. Surely more but that many registered. And recovered very rarely get ill again. If we sum all that we get data that in adult population 85 percent protection." But he thinks "ethically necessary" he emphasized to introduce vaccination for occupational groups.
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| pantani15. 12. 2021 19:25:06 |
For a fake PCT, a prison sentence of up to 3 years is threatened?For stealing state property and abuse of position, an acquittal follows, because the evidence was obtained illegally.
This is only possible in SLO after 1991. 
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| Becar5. 12. 2021 19:30:04 |
Covid tracker is nothing but a regime propaganda statistical portal, closely connected to IJS, where according to media reports political dirty tricks happen. Their fortune-telling is in the style of Baba Vanga. They accurately predicted the 4th wave already at the end of July. The joke is that conspiracy theorists did too.
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| zavest5. 12. 2021 19:59:49 |
So if the Tracker's prediction is fortune-telling in the style of Baba Vanga, you anti-vax conspiracy theorists are ordinary amateur liars. Bravo, another own goal by Bećar Better paste some population projection from two years ago from alter ego Sargon to cover this embarrassment.
You won't believe it, but the regime hates the Tracker for several reasons. One is that the numbers don't lie and reveal the government's failure in managing the epidemic and the number of deaths. https://mobile.twitter.com/blaz_88/status/1349611094277545985
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| Becar5. 12. 2021 20:09:23 |
That's how it's done in France. Of course you won't see this in the media. There you'll see today that 58% of Slovenes support mandatory vaccination. Interesting, isn't it, that more people support mandatory vaccination than are vaccinated despite all the pressures. Propaganda lying gang. And I'm 100% sure it's the same story with the share of vaccinated in hospitals. It's the same criminals who lie like a dog runs.
https://www.facebook.com/100065757919785/videos/1067953484004257
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| turbo5. 12. 2021 20:12:17 |
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| kekec625. 12. 2021 20:22:47 |
Becar mocks the vaccinated and healthcare workers, but I'm almost 100% sure he'll need them and won't refuse them, even more, he'll accept whatever they suggest.
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| Becar5. 12. 2021 20:43:38 |
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