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Covid-19, Ukraine

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dprapr1. 12. 2020 19:18:19
The advantage of this "corona crisis" is that we're returning to our youth again. Long hair helps, gas is cheap, but we can't go anywhere.nasmeh
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redbull1. 12. 2020 21:06:36
Until 2024 when you get jabbed, Primož, it'll be better, I certainly won't.
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zokipoki1. 12. 2020 23:32:43
I'm still thinking about vaccination. I have arguments for and against. Parents said they will.
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ana2. 12. 2020 07:29:42
so we won't be left jabbed too
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redbull2. 12. 2020 07:33:36
anavelik nasmeh
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ppegan2. 12. 2020 08:42:34
Primož, now I don't know if you're really that stupid or just pretending??? You know the economy isn't just pubs and bars, right? What about tourism, which is a big part of the economy, hotels, small businesses, beauty salons, hairdressers and many others who also closed their doors? Obviously you live in your own world where everything is fine and good, no one is hurting. But reality is quite different, people are in distress, in such a miserable life or better said mere survival they see no meaning anymore. But that doesn't worry you? No, of course not, because as you say, the economy will survive. Until you find yourself in that situation, it's all water off a duck's back for you. Open your eyes a bit and look at what's happening around you.
Of course part of the economy will survive, but at what cost. If Ana Roš isn't a big enough reference for you, you've probably heard of Akrapovič, my friend works in his lab. Google how many workers he had to lay off in the first wave due to strict government measures. Yeah, he'll survive too, not with state help, since he wants nothing from the state. How many workers will lose jobs because of it is irrelevant anyway, because they'll survive somehow too - if nothing else, on air. You know that one about the farmer and the donkey - real farmer, I've got the donkey used to air just right, but it keeled over.
Interesting that we all have empathy for the elderly and agree they need protecting. But empathy for people who lost jobs and don't know how to survive, feed kids, pay bills, and people who ended up in distress due to government measures one way or another, we've somehow lost. Really sad. This October there were 15.5% more unemployed than last October. I think that stat speaks for itself.
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s7nf2. 12. 2020 09:10:17
ppegan I would too. Economy, and nature is beautiful, and we're healthy, and a bunch more on top.

But reality is that many people (judging by this thread) wouldn't get vaccinated at all. So, we'd have economy and jobs, but they wouldn't do anything for it?
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dragon2. 12. 2020 10:31:48
Comrade Polona blasts the government, which she would do even if the government took completely opposite measures. Today almost 2500 positives again. But easier to protest than to follow measures. As for entrepreneurs, I know several who don't complain at all when they have to stay home (80% salary for doing nothing).
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ppegan2. 12. 2020 10:33:15
Primož, only that sentence of yours bothered me, that the economy will survive. It's the same as writing, Slovenes will survive, even if 100,000 elderly die. Of course we will, but at what cost.
Regarding non-compliance with measures, here's this - how do you explain infections in nursing homes and among healthcare workers? You know they follow measures to the letter at least at work, but infections still break through among them. How, if they follow measures?
I think no one intentionally sabotages measures. Unfortunately you're contagious 2-3 days before symptoms, and that's the problem. And of course people still like to socialize, some more some less, that's also an issue. But not so much that all infections are from that. Maybe, I don't know, I'm not smart enough zmeden
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zokipoki2. 12. 2020 10:39:26
Above all, we should pull something good out of this for everyone. No accusations, no pressure, just for the common good. This winter could be long.
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ppegan2. 12. 2020 10:43:35
@dragon, I'm not a comrade, too young for that title, even though grandma was a partisan. It's not true I'd protest in every case, but in this yes, because measures don't work, meanwhile causing huge damage to economy and elsewhere, including people's psychophysical well-being.
Just so you know, I follow all sensible measures, i.e. masks in enclosed spaces and public places, distancing and not socializing with others. What more can I do?
Lucky you know such entrepreneurs, unfortunately I don't, but I know many people who ended up in distress due to government measures.

@zokipoki totally agree.
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miri2. 12. 2020 10:54:44
For some who don't know what the word COMRADE means.
https://fran.si/iskanje?View=1&Query=tovari%C5%A1
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dragon2. 12. 2020 11:05:45
Comrade because you say you work in education.
It's praiseworthy if you follow measures, many obviously don't, which shows in results so government isn't to blame. True economy will suffer damage, that's why it's important to follow measures as much as possible and resolve this crisis as quickly as possible.
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tinky2. 12. 2020 11:08:41
We'll get rid of the virus before Primoz!
polona++++++
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VanSims2. 12. 2020 11:12:02
Government is to blame only because it delayed measures by a month. If taken on time we'd either stagnate around incidence 500 now (fewer patients, less burdened healthcare, fewer deaths), but now around 1000 or could have taken milder measures (less damage to economy, less distress for people), but would have same or higher incidence.

That the number doesn't drop (even if it were say 500 or lower) is everyone else's fault, as I wrote above in points 2 to 4 (offended kids without toy, people not following measures and supervisory bodies supervising line of least resistance but max money gain).
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ppegan2. 12. 2020 11:18:58
Sorry, I misunderstood tovarišica - my first association with that word is comrade Tito velik nasmeh
In education they've been calling teachers tovarišice for a long time zavijanje z očmi

Meanwhile everything here is already white - so not only about covid. I always rejoice at the first snow like a little child nasmeh
Yay, the snow is coming :)1
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redbull2. 12. 2020 11:29:38
We're heading to 33% and if according to Beović's aunt they limit only to meters and not municipalities as now I'm convinced we're heading to 50%. What unfortunate measures of the pearl government. If nothing else, at least thanks for saving on fuel
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zippo2. 12. 2020 11:34:50
Yeah yeah, some would just blame neighbors and even take blame on behalf of the nation. But if you have so much to say about measures - how effective are they really, even if everyone followed them 100%?

Nursing homes are full of infections among residents and staff. All staff strictly follow all measures, everyone there wears masks. No visits for two months. Residents can't go from one room to another, many can't at all. They don't jump out windows at night and go to basement parties with walkers, do they?
If someone dies, relatives can't go there, but like my neighbor waits a few days until they send the urn to the funeral home. So where doesn't it work if measures are all fine???

Primož, with your great wisdom about the economy that will survive and casual view on all failed private entrepreneurs and their families you've just proven you're a morally low person who doesn't care about others, just like this government.
Nice for you, working in public service probably from home, so besides guaranteed income you have plenty of time for your long studies, lecturing the entire mountaineering crowd and daily breaking records on Stari grad. Meanwhile thousands at home think what to give kids to eat and how many bills they can ignore paying before they cut off electricity or water.
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djimuzl2. 12. 2020 11:36:27
Polona, no need to apologize, he didn't call you "tovarišica" with good intention.
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dragon2. 12. 2020 11:55:21
Miri says I don't know the meaning of comrade, and sends me a dictionary link where under point 5 it says: teacher, professor. But our Polona is probably too young for tovarišicazadrega. I apologize and best regards.
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