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dprapr18. 12. 2020 09:42:02
Ppegan, so you're speaking off the cuff, based on observations in your environment, which may stand out from the Slovenian average. I expected you to present some research.
Regarding exceptions, yes there are, but in the negative sense. Most young people are completely OK, no less friendly than we were at that age, some even more hardworking, with more respect for the elderly. It's true they do less physical work because there's no need, they sit more at the computer,... But, would we do anything differently in this time if we were young again?
" Maybe you don't have that much insight into it."
Will 38 years of insight into it be enough by your criteria?nasmeh

Regarding health services, you're concluding based on one case. I know it's hard if you don't get medical help right away. But, the current situation isn't to blame for that, but everything else in healthcare.

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ppegan18. 12. 2020 10:02:34
Drago, I really don't intend to get into word fights with you anymore, since I respect you as older, more experienced, and I also like reading your posts. But is Onaplus a sufficiently authoritative magazine? When we went to elementary and also high school, this didn't happen.
https://onaplus.delo.si/ali-se-v-solah-sploh-zavedajo-nasilja

It's true that healthcare was already on the edge of capacity before, I agree, but the fact is that in this time they discovered much less cancer, and also much fewer interventions and operations are performed, which is proven. And I'm not concluding from one case, read the comments under some article on this topic, and you'll see how many people are waiting for surgery or how many had surgery postponed because of the epidemic. It's true the data refer to the 1st wave, but in the 2nd it's no different.
https://www.rtvslo.si/zdravje/novi-koronavirus/zaradi-epidemije-v-ukc-ju-ljubljana-v-4-mesecih-priblizno-5000-operacij-manj/524419
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dprapr18. 12. 2020 10:55:14
Why word fight? It's just a response to your comments. You have to understand that people have different opinions. At least until evidence for different solutions is presented. But there's none of that here, just talking nonsense because we can't go to the mountains or to work. nasmeh
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ppegan18. 12. 2020 11:07:18
I understand we have different opinions, good that it's so. I think the above statistics from UKC is not nonsense, right? Something similar was done for the second wave too, I saw it on the news, but I didn't remember the numbers, I admit.
Drago, are you still locked in the municipality? I sympathize with you, really. I know how you feel. We now have a bit more freedom, even if only apparent mežikanje
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redbull18. 12. 2020 12:44:35
Primož you ate something weird again. I wouldn't take the numbers too seriously, they write, show whatever they want. If it's improving, thank God, in any case we're done until March. I don't need to have much in my head to know it'll be like that.
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djimuzl18. 12. 2020 12:56:43
He obviously knows the "wet parts of Slovenia" well - for example, the description of peeing against the wind experience was presented very vividly - as if speaking from personal experience velik nasmeh
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zokipoki18. 12. 2020 12:58:43
Hahaha here we go again velik nasmeh Dejan, we're toast forever, not just until March, and not toasted, burned! velik nasmeh
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VanSims18. 12. 2020 13:10:59
@dprapr: today's youth is mainly spoiled and if the mule doesn't get what it wants right away, it's already crazy.

Please, that's the expert opinion today! A parent who wants to raise their child differently, with some restrictions, so not everything is brought to their ass, into a capable, adult person who won't need mommy and daddy until middle age, is a bad parent! Neglects the child!

I read online a mom's confession: at the first parent-teacher meeting, the teacher already hammered into their heads that they should do homework with the children, study with them, check if all duties are done... Please! Where is independence here, if the parent hangs over their head the whole school and if teachers and experts even promote it.

Then they have to make e.g. a poster. Most of course get help from parents (or parents make them themselves) and they have super duper products. Making posters is parents' task? Yeah and the one who doesn't, automatically comes out worse, even though their product is much more valuable if they made it themselves.

And of course we don't talk about parents raising super kids who must never experience defeat and never learn anything from experiences. Then we wonder how much crime, drugs, suicides there are among youth...

As for greeting itself: I also have various experiences. Yeah, I won't say kids can be much friendlier than adults and rarely is a kid as rude and impolite as many adults can be and if it is, it obviously sees a bright example in the family.

On the other hand, where has basic politeness gone? While with adults, say in our block, we mostly greet each other even if not with some - they know why themselves - very very rarely does a kid greet you. When we were little we always greeted. Even when we were still in LJ, before we moved to the village (where everyone greeted anyway, at least back then). They always told us at school and home that you have to greet.

What about today? Practically no kid greets you on the stairs or in front of the block. Rare exceptions.

I heard from a colleague that his daughter was somewhere in Croatia on school trip in nature, together with some group of Croatian kids. Croatian kids greeted their teachers when they met them, Slovenian ones didn't!

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mirank18. 12. 2020 18:53:07
Greeting is an interesting topic; higher up practically everyone greets, lower down (especially this yearzavijanje z očmi) there is less and less of it, there are also tourists in between.
I live a bit more remote from roads, asphalt ends at my place. A week ago a guy almost 4 decades younger comes along the road with a girl about 5 years old. They turn around about 15m from me, the dog looks too and they go without greeting. What can you expect from such a child; surely doesn't greet, but the child is not to blame. Parents and school taught us that - there you had to greet "hello".
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dprapr18. 12. 2020 19:07:21
Mirank, I greet such ones very friendly. It helps. Verified. Kids need to encounter a friendly greeting somewhere, if they don't see it from their parents. Otherwise, I don't know why you're so hurt if someone doesn't greet you. It surely doesn't ruin my day. Maybe the person had a bad day and that's why didn't greet. Or was lost in thought. There can be more reasons, not just bad upbringing.
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zokipoki18. 12. 2020 19:17:44
stay healthy
rapid tests
mass testing

I notice that with these three things it's a completely misguided investment and approach. We all know the app was a failed project, results show that. Procurement of rapid tests is money thrown away, as they are unreliable. Mass testing is also complete nonsense, as you can be negative this moment, positive and contagious the next.

In short, I think these three methods are unsuitable for controlling the epidemic or similar situations due to their ineffectiveness.

For the good of all
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zokipoki18. 12. 2020 19:38:11
Hard to believe. I think there are still too many variables and different factors affecting sufficient test accuracy. Too little is known.
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mirank18. 12. 2020 19:46:29
To greet someone is politeness, to greet back is duty, that's what they taught me. Teaching someone manners I think is not my mission, and such an encounter doesn't ruin my day either.
I agree with Van Sims' findings that the school system does too little to encourage independence and child upbringing.
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zokipoki18. 12. 2020 21:43:48
Maybe, let's give it time. 99% is not 100 and 1% can be a big factor influencing the development of events.
Accurate test result (100%) is only half of the measure's success, the rest is genetics and lifestyle. If I look globally, I can say that with all the "knowledge" humans have, we failed.
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VanSims18. 12. 2020 22:46:54
Yeah, not greeting doesn't bother me either. If some adult doesn't greet back, I just think what I think.

As for kids, in principle I wouldn't have a problem greeting first but then everyone in one environment (say our block) would have to agree that we start greeting the kids. That would then have an effect that kids would start too, if only some of us did it, no.

And of course general upbringing worries me much more. What bugs me most is that those parents who want to make something out of their kids are looked at sideways. But no, the child mustn't fall and learn something. Competition who gets better grades. The child must be unique special and super! Even with extra parental effort. And legal team! The project must succeed! Must be better than others

God forbid leaving the child to experiences. Wouldn't have such good grades then, which anyway tell little or almost nothing about the child's abilities. But those would be more valuable, the child would learn early to live with successes and falls. What others think of him shouldn't matter. That should be the upbringing. Yeah, what worse! Then we'd have independent people who know how to think. Where would we end up!
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VanSims18. 12. 2020 22:59:33
Regarding tests:

Mass testing just like that is pointless. I'm really curious who will profit from these rapid tests. In a week anyway the whole thing doesn't count anymore.

I see the point of these rapid tests in using them in everyday life. For example for entry into public space or area where there are many people (when measures are relaxed): restaurants, cinemas,... when there are concerts and night clubs again also that, for visits to hospitals, for crossing the border without quarantine (btw. Austrians already recognize rapid tests for this purpose),...

Testing just for three days is of course nonsense.
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ppegan19. 12. 2020 07:48:17
Primož, don't you get it?? What else did I write than what VanSims wrote later, just more extensively? Yes children are a reflection of parents, how you raise them, that's how they are. I was raised with a firm hand, I had to earn everything, nothing was given to me, they taught me respect for elders, above all to be kind and compassionate to others, which you greatly lack. You don't know me but you judge me and keep insulting me. That says a lot more about you than me. But because I have a completely different opinion than you, I'm stupid and illiterate and I don't know what else. If you're normal... Karma is a bitch.
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gely19. 12. 2020 08:30:23
it's clear that some follow SLO TV 24 hours, which washes their brains and humiliates others who are informed and research elsewhere. ppegan said it well, redbull, felix, mcgiver, and others.... - but for one representative - I think we all know which one, because he "masters everything" and reports his events and echoes to us daily velik nasmehzmeden - IQ goodbye intelligence - maybe it would be great if we listened to other scientists too and used logic and our own brains. If some think the vaccine is super - I hope you can look your children in the eye with a clear conscience
https://hyprr.com/videos/d56c8e37-9448-446e-95c2-6657016ce423

https://sites.google.com/a/wabiz.org/www/Home/news/pressneedstobeheldaccountableforhurtingpeople/conspire-corona-or-5g/rf/other/on-corona-the-media-and-propaganda/stop-world-control?overridemobile=true#TOC-Shadow-governments-control-us

https://www.glasistre.hr/hrvatska/ekskluzivno-kontroverzni-imunolog-srecko-sladoljev-protivi-se-obaveznom-i-masovnom-procjepljivanju-tvrdi-da-ljudima-prijeti-opasnost-od-cjepiva-a-ne-od-virusa-684836?fbclid=IwAR2wpiqz2NqaUqPMnTmxVVul18zDdHtY_gllG5iNAGCTCfaIP6nYfs60dIQ#google_vignette

https://topnews.si/2020/12/15/sokantno-spregovoril-slavni-francoski-zdravnik-profesor-christian-perronne-to-niso-cepiva-proti-koroni-ne-smemo-jih-prejeti/?fbclid=IwAR3wxNNRD-iGqWdECiAwehoVR_OfK9cP7bdSvHf3R4G1eYZAVjH01sgZVNc

and also this - Pfizer research head: Covid vaccine is female sterilization. After some research it turns out that syncytin-1 is also present in sperm, so not only women will be sterilized, but also men. - I would post the link, but it's removed.... just why zavijanje z očmizmeden
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s7nf19. 12. 2020 08:40:38
gely, internet is not for you. Seriously.
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gely19. 12. 2020 08:47:42
s7nf......arguments, why not. Because I don't think like you?????? Seriously!!!!! WTF what logic do you use - TV or your brains
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