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| IgorZlodej24. 10. 2010 17:24:37 |
And how much do they pay you for advertising these boots, where did you test them, tours on which mountains and how many times? I also have boots for special units, but it wouldn't even occur to me to go to the mountains with them.
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| viharnik24. 10. 2010 17:53:32 |
But in these boots I really don't see any technical performance for mountaineering, since today you can get quite good Alpina gojzar boots at not insane price. Also on Viševnik the guys were wearing only low approach shoes. In case of a sprain of course habitually call a helicopter right away, since it costs us nothing, the state though.
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| šerpa24. 10. 2010 18:07:30 |
Special units also have special boots for special purposes. The question is for what purpose these boots are, certainly not for mountaineering activity. As far as I've noticed, our "mountain special forces" use top mountaineering boots from renowned manufacturers, probably foreign units too....
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| oakley_sf24. 10. 2010 18:31:19 |
igor: nobody pays me for advertising these boots, I bought them myself and gave my personal opinion on the boots. I've tested them in all areas already, so snow, ice, rain, sun. Which mountains doesn't matter because all mountains where I was with these boots [are on] rocky terrain, say above 2000m. I've had them for a year and they are still like new.
viharnik: I've seen how quality Alpina boots are when someone lost the sole after 20 min of walking, you can find that thread on this forum. The boots are above the ankle so no fear of sprain or fracture. I'm satisfied with them, because so far I've walked on difficult terrain with them and didn't have to (thank God) call a helicopter Lp
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| viharnik24. 10. 2010 18:42:34 |
Good, that they serve the purpose and are useful. For Alpina it's like that. I don't wear them myself, according to info some can't praise them enough, others a bit less because they blister. But according to the mountaineering shop seller's opinion, for this price in terms of detailed shoe components, its home production, they are still supposedly much better than the flood of "European" brands, which at least in the lower segment all make in China.
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| lynx24. 10. 2010 18:53:03 |
and where does puncture protection come in handy for you?  Crampons are put on pointed side down! 
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| oakley_sf24. 10. 2010 18:58:17 |
If you'd read my first comment a bit more carefully you'd see I mentioned it's not important for mountaineering regarding membrane. I mentioned protection in passing. I think I know how crampons are put on Lp
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| JusAvgustin24. 10. 2010 19:34:40 |
"For this price in detailed shoe components, home production, still supposedly much better than flood of "European" brands which at least in the lower segment all make in China" here I absolutely disagree with some of you for the following arguments: weight, materials, know-how, users, funds for footwear development, market, etc... margins and cheap labor are a completely different story. But it's like that, nowhere says you must buy top quality shoe (esp. winter ones are expensive, damn!) all depends on purpose of use and individual demands. You gotta find it yourself
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| oakley_sf24. 10. 2010 19:49:05 |
Geolog, I agree
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| heinz24. 10. 2010 20:19:38 |
Those Oakley somewhat remind me of some Samsonites I bought (wore) years ago for the city. Soft and light ankle boots with membrane and resistant soles aren't yet gojzarji for the mountains. For winter in the hills, the least.
Let me also add that I know a case of a professional soldier from a mountain unit, who got himself an Alpina Teton for private winter climbs.
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| oakley_sf24. 10. 2010 20:40:18 |
Heinz, friend, you can't talk about something you don't know yourself if it's true. I personally tested them in all areas as I also wrote. For winter in the mountains they are surely suitable, as I said before they were also tested on snow! Probably not suitable for extreme cases of 4 or more thousanders where top equipment is needed. For 2-3 thousanders they are great! Simply, they satisfy my needs and that's the most important.
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| JusAvgustin24. 10. 2010 20:44:33 |
I wouldn't rely on that the most, you know... for such climbs it needs to be a proper "ornk" boot already, not that I'm brainwashing you now but winter above 2k is a bit different than in other seasons, so the boot must be appropriate for that too, but as you said yourself, you know best what and how. Right?
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| oakley_sf24. 10. 2010 20:53:57 |
Maybe they don't look quality in the pic but they are good also for 2-thousanders, I've even been in them in winter and felt no discomfort.
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| JusAvgustin24. 10. 2010 21:03:12 |
not about comfort dear friend but think man... winter mountains can hit extreme low temps, precip, moisture, all sorts of weather... waterproof, insulation, durability... just wanna say can't compare them... you'll tell me when it once fails at -20
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| Zebdi24. 10. 2010 21:15:51 |
oakley_sf, please describe your winter tests of these boots a bit. Personally in winter I really appreciate a stiff boot with the option to attach automatic crampons. Stiff because it allows much more comfortable walking in snow than a soft one, automatic crampons because I don't feel like tying those straps at -15. I believe this boot is good for some mid-mountain, but when someone starts recommending it for high mountains in winter, I really get skeptical. So write where all you tested this, so we'll at least approximately know what we're talking about.
Stay safe in the mountains!
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| oakley_sf24. 10. 2010 21:23:34 |
When I talked about comfort I meant all that you listed. So far I have never been on a mountain when it was -20, but they were exposed to rain, low temps (up to ca. -10), impacts etc. Geolog, boots are well equipped I'm not selling them to anyone, but I have to counter the criticism a bit Lp
P.S. if it's -20 I'll rather stay home
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| oakley_sf24. 10. 2010 21:26:21 |
zebdi I don't recommend it to anyone, as I said I didn't come to sell them, I just mention that they are PERSONALLY suitable for me!
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| klm24. 10. 2010 21:28:06 |
These boots are also used by some members of the Slovenian army for "their competitions"; i.e. about 80 km up, down, up on pathless terrain, dirt roads, forest paths with a good 20 kg backpack. Due to the properties Oakley mentioned they are very suitable for such competitions, definitely also useful for summer mountaineering and trekking, in winter only for easier tours like e.g. Velika planina, Ratitovec, Jošt, Kališče and similar, but not suitable for serious tours at all. Even any layman upon closer inspection of the boot realizes that the user's feet would freeze despite compensation with warm socks, since they are not thermally insulated and thus not suitable for longer stays in temperatures well below zero, and at the same time they are not stiff enough for longer carrying or use of crampons.
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| oakley_sf24. 10. 2010 21:31:15 |
klm, something like what you said! For winter surprisingly they hold up a bit more, but not for extreme cases
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| JakaM3. 12. 2010 13:55:36 |
Hello, interested in your experiences with Alpino Teton and Grivel G14 crampons, do the crampons fit the boot? Thanks for reply.
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