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DejanD29. 01. 2013 00:57:53
Winter boot must be more compact, must have stiffer sole or reinforced sole for walking with crampons. Soft boots are not good for snow walking especially with crampons.
Before deciding to buy, you need to go to hiking stores and try various boot models, because those that look good don't necessarily mean they will actually be good.
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Gizmo29. 01. 2013 12:50:08
As DejanD said the boot must be compact, these Salomons are for winter fun on snow and not really for mountains, Merrells are too low, etc. Maybe look at some Garmont, Salewa, La Sportiva, anyway a robust boot for your own safety, especially if crampons are involved, look for those that allow semi-automatic crampons, especially since you mention high mountains. And safe steps. Igor
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ljubitelj gora29. 01. 2013 13:49:00
I don't know those models, but they look more suitable for something like Blegoš, nothing more. Already because of the material, partially leather can get soaked and once soaked they're unsuitable for winter tours (you should still try them on, so we don't speculate). If you plan to hike a lot in the mountains in winter then buy winter mountaineering boots with a stiff sole, currently the cheapest is Teton, around 120 euros (Alpina). Teton is a massive boot, heavy and suitable only for winter tours. Various Garmont, La Sportiva are a bit pricier, but there's a discount now, but careful, discounted doesn't mean good. Old stock with no market demand. Who knows what salespeople invent, and never listen to salespeople, some have no clue at all. They'll sell you what has the least demand all year. If you're on a budget, choose something suitable for summer and winter trails + 12-tooth classic crampons. That way you'll kill multiple birds with one stone. In summer there are snowfields and you need crampons and ice axe, what will you wear winter boots for when heatwave is coming in valleys. Again it comes to crampons (classic, semi-auto, auto). Classics fit anywhere, semi and auto won't go on summer boots unless it has a notch at the back. Another story is using winter gear crossing snowfields, I think some course will be organized. Before you learn to walk safely with crampons and use ice axe there are quite some issues. I got stuck with crampons several times myself, 1-2-3x even literally impaled, still see one injury after 1 year, with ice axe too. Now no problems. Get something La Sportiva winter-summer boot, it'll cost 150-200 euros. Or Alpina Tibet, currently around 100 euros and you'll be surprised what you get. Use them year-round, but not for couloirs. Not much choice for 100 euros anyway.
Alpina has even bigger discount now so go to Alpina. Offer until 31.1
Discounted 40%
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žan129. 01. 2013 14:23:35
ljubitelj gora, you're a bit wrong. Alpina Teton costs 189.90, which doesn't mean it's cheaper tidi with discountzmeden
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Rutil29. 01. 2013 16:59:33
Lakkon;
personally I advise against Salomon Contagrip sole, it's simply too soft.
You can use those Salomons for sledding and walking on already trodden paths in hills (read: winter to Blegoš, as LG mentions, where plenty of boots have gone the same path), but you'll have hard time breaking trail with them.
Even for summer Contagrip is only suitable for dry hills - and god forbid tours with scree, I destroyed my Salomons in just 6 scree tours - now I have Alpina Peak and after 10 tours they finally broke in hehe.
In wet (same problem on snow) the weakness of soft rubber sole shows again - although profile shape is good, but rubber soft and no security when on toes, because front bends and you feel like your nose will meet ground any moment.
When I switched from Salomons to Vibram from Alpina I thought it won't last, felt like walking in armor (same boots for summer tours too) - but after few tours getting used to stiffer sole, wouldn't trade for anything.

But you need to THINK WELL about purpose of your new boots - if really just winter walks (up to max 4 hours on snow, preferably less) to Blegoš on trodden path and sledding, then those Salomons are fine and no point buying 200€ mountaineering boots. If planning midwinter to Triglav house then buy something else.
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lakkon29. 01. 2013 22:47:12
Hi,

thanks for the great response to my post. Yes, I was in shops today getting info from salespeople. They schooled me a bit, I schooled them too. In the end I went for local producer and bought this in their shop:

http://www.alpinashop.si/artikel/anapurna_-_67041/67041

as someone mentioned, -40% discounts and they cost me 96 EUR. First impressions OK. Took suitable spray too.

Otherwise I have mid-height Salomon hiking boot. Don't know exact model now. Hiked quite a bit last year with them in mid-mountain, even a couple of 2000ers. Today in shop I checked my sole and the one in shop, almost same. Hm, maybe I watch how I walk or wasn't on too 'boot damaging' hikes. Of course that was dry. Not for snow. Too thin, cold in them. But Gore-Tex of course. If I see sole starting to wear, I'll redirect them only to less demanding terrain and mid-mountain without snow.

But in high mountains I combine with these:
http://www.superge.si/AKU/zenith-ii-ltr-aku-11ss-8160750/, which I'll probably use more. Really OK for me, but not true winter. For not too demanding winter conditions I'll still go with them sometimes, suitable for crampons too. But not warm enough for real winter conditions. I'll rest them a bit over winter, when new Alpinas will do most tasks – hope successfully.

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redbull30. 01. 2013 06:27:28
Good boot is npor. The one DejanD has in pic -- Kayland.
Light boot, but stiff, like good winter boot - waterproof. Different if standing in water.
Price good - Kibuba.

Regards.
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serajko30. 01. 2013 12:56:21
Hi.
Better price directly at http://www.dumo.si/ponudba.php.
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neph30. 01. 2013 13:32:09
@Rutil

Unfortunately I can't fully agree with your comment on Salomon and Contragrip sole. I've used them for over two years (Salomon Quest 4D GTX) and they are still in good condition, done quite a few tours with them, even high mountains. It's a very soft boot, primarily not for high mountains of course, but suits me there too. Absolutely not for winter, except light short tours. Destroyed them on scree several times, still hold... Besides me, three family members use same in same time and extent, all satisfied. Performed well also on easy climbing and vias ferratas. Not saying it fits everyone, just my very positive experiences.

PS. Lakkon, maybe Alpina Lhotse model suits you, if discounted, good price.
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Rutil30. 01. 2013 15:13:56
@neph: I believe, but for my use simply not suitable. After few times scrambling raw karst (Kornati) the sole damaged and profile started peeling....
While running down from Škrlatica on that scree (not extra long) boot tore a bit at pinky toe where front protection rubber ends... etc.
True, for running I swear by Salomon XA Pro 3D; have fourth pair and ideal for gravel running.
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ČRIČEK3. 02. 2013 17:28:36
I have a question? I'm buying new mountain boots and in Hervis the salesgirl insists Gore-Tex are only suitable for winter - they are too hot otherwise. Is there anything to it?
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viharnik3. 02. 2013 17:39:49
All better mountain boots are membrane (Gore-Tex, eVent, Sympatex...), some Nubuck leather versions are even without membrane.
In high mountains with membrane boots you don't feel much noticeable heat, especially those made with technical leather and Cordura. For leather ones, if without membrane, they breathe better than membrane ones and are more comfortable.
Always thinner summer socks - Coolmax, which cool the feet.
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ljubitelj gora4. 02. 2013 09:40:13
Alpina has the whole February promotion again: take two, pay for the cheaper pair.
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planinc894. 02. 2013 19:02:30
I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with these boots. http://www.alpinashop.si/artikel/lhotse_-_62261/62261

(Alpina) LHOTSE
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Ruzowski4. 02. 2013 21:07:31
Hi, first time on the portal. A month ago I bought Alpina Peak, got it at a good price with discount 120 euro (180 full price). I have quite a lot of experience with Alpina boots from previous years. With the new Peaks I've done about 5 snowy hikes this year. Regarding crampons (I have Grivel semi-automatics) they perform excellently due to the stiff sole. Now the essence. The boots until Saturday's - rainy hike on Komna performed excellently. 7-8 hours in snow and feet warm and dry. But Saturday disaster. Boots leaked from everywhere, already at the 32nd switchback there was quite a bit of water in them. But maybe due to rain water poured into the boot through the gaiters. We'll see how they perform this weekend, if they leak again I'll have to look for another boot.
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Močerad4. 02. 2013 21:54:12
@planinc89:
Something has been written already, but I quickly found this. When I bought them, I found even more sources.
http://www.hribi.net/trenutnerazmere.asp?slo=1&gorovjeid=10001&id=698
http://survival.aforumfree.com/t5776-pitanje-alpina-lhotse
http://www.hribi.net/trenutnerazmere.asp?slo=1&gorovjeid=10001&id=2944&stran=1

I bought them just before this winter, so I can only share my experiences in winter conditions. The boot suits me; for winter approaches it is excellent in my opinion (warm enough, doesn't get soaked,...). But you can't expect alpine feats from this model. nasmeh

Last week I discussed the model with a gentleman who also heard only positive things about them (even for high mountains in summer). I'd take the brown version on your behalf (I read bad reviews about the orange model on some forums - don't know how true).

If buying a universal boot for all seasons, maybe consider the Tibet model too.

In those threads you'll find some negative comments too. Note only those from owners of the mentioned boot (Alpina Lhote). Some dismiss Alpina a priori as a bad buy. In my opinion it's not all black and white. Of course there are better boots from foreign manufacturers for the right money (and definitely not for 130EUR - that's about the sale price of the Alpina model).

Happy shopping! mežikanje
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jprim5. 02. 2013 06:41:57
In my opinion there's no universal boot for all seasons, just like winter and summer tires have different functions, so there are winter and summer hiking boots.
Regards!nasmeh
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Močerad5. 02. 2013 08:00:18
@jprim: maybe I expressed myself a bit strangely. I agree with your statement. Just wanted to say that Tibet (in my opinion) is more "all around" than Lhotse, which I find more winter than summer boot.
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planinc895. 02. 2013 08:58:10
MOČERAD:
Thanks for the detailed reply. Personally I have nothing against Alpina, I have some hiking boots at home I got on sale for 54€ and hiked high mountains in winter with them no problem.... very satisfied!!!!!!
Of course interested in this boot... but this one too.http://www.iglusport.si/?mod=store&action=viewProduct&action_id=9856&language=sl same price.... will try both.velik nasmeh
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Bosstjan5. 02. 2013 12:47:27
Here I'd like some help too. Considering buying Alpina Teton boot, interested if anyone has experience with this model. Planned for not too demanding winter hikes and spring/autumn high mountain tours.
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