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| Loni16. 01. 2012 14:07:37 |
Whether they are better or not is hard to say, it depends where, when and in what conditions.
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| IgorZlodej17. 01. 2012 17:42:10 |
@turbo wrote:
There are alpine and touring crampons...
There are ice axes and tools (machines)
And limousines and SUVs
- touring crampons,
- ice axes and half tools,
- SUV.
For serious winter ascents definitely 12-point crampons, although lately I mostly use Black Diamond 14-point ice crampons, which perform excellently in current mountain conditions.
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| katty18. 01. 2012 15:13:21 |
Well, I bought them, these very controversial Mount Track crampons for some. And yesterday they really performed excellently . Super grip, no fear of slipping. So I'm extremely satisfied with them .
Greetings, Katarina
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| 5Xum18. 01. 2012 15:21:38 |
Katty, for all users reading this, can you also say where you used them?
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| katty18. 01. 2012 15:27:19 |
Um, from Mrežc down to the starting point even lower down from Blejska Hut.
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| TejaB21. 01. 2012 07:01:40 |
Here's my opinion from practice. I have 12-point semi-automatics, 8-point lightweight aluminum strap-ons (which also have forward-pointing front teeth) and ice traction "native" microspikes (http://www.kibuba.com/index.php?&cID=5&scID=36&pID=5140). They all perform well on their terrain. For winter tours in high mountains I always have 12-pointers (for comparison I tested 8-pointers in Turkish Gully (steep), but feel better on 12s - difference more noticeable on descent), 8-pointers I carry in spring and early summer when need to cross snow patches here and there (bought them because semi-automatics don't fit every boot and didn't want to walk in glacier boots in summer e.g. on Hanza to Prisank). Tested small spikes on same paths as Katty and they work great there. Bought them for walking and running on icy mid-mountain paths, because small and light, can have them always even in hip pouch and put on trail runners. Since they have Velcro safety strap on top, they don't come off if points get caught.
For those 6-pointers on previous page, I think they are safer than chain ones because can attach perfectly to boots (can't slip off), longer points reduce slip risk, but for high mountains (or steep terrain walking) still not suitable, because need front points for uphill.
One more. I think it's especially important for less experienced mountaineers to have terrain-suitable gear, very experienced manage with worse. To those who can't afford 12-point crampons and ice axe, I recommend joining a mountaineering club (if not members), do a tour with them to learn to use the mentioned gear, then borrow it for own tours from them. Our club lends gear free to members.
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| ciklama21. 01. 2012 21:17:41 |
Today I experienced that these little chains aren't too safe. Snow builds up right away in those small teeth and when you step on ice, they don't grip. It swept me on an icy patch, scratched up my face all over. Next time in such conditions I'll rather put on small 4-point crampons, which grip much better on ice. Although a snowball forms in them too - in these conditions just gotta be even more careful.
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| otiv21. 01. 2012 21:53:41 |
@ciklama the proverb ain't wrong, every school costs something. Good you got off cheap and will take us slightly older hill folk more seriously in future, who've been on our butts many times.
Good luck!
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| bumslpepe21. 01. 2012 22:14:45 |
With Camp 6-point crampons I haven't been on my ass yet. True, I modified them a bit - tied smooth rubber under with wire. So balls hardly ever form. From Krma to Kredarica they're just right. I use 'em cuz lighter than 12-pointers. Of course gotta know what ya got on yer feet. For serious tours real 12-pointers necessary, with rubber underneath too.
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| Swiss23. 01. 2012 08:32:11 |
Hello!
Can someone explain "glacier crampons". As I know, crampons for glacier walking are shorter than regular 12-pointers. Am I wrong? Please discuss.
LG and safe in mountains!
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| JusAvgustin23. 01. 2012 08:37:46 |
He meant ice ones, I think... No discussion needed. There are hiking and climbing. 10 and 12 points... Climbing and technical (monopoint, spur... etc.)
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| skorny23. 01. 2012 10:37:47 |
Regarding Lesce Mount track crampons, they are proven useful for partially icy and snowy paths not in high mountains of course, but I know you can get nicely to Velika Planina, Dobrča, Krn Lakes or Lubnik and similar paths where there is no big slope, very useful for sledding etc., much easier to go uphill with them and pull sleds at Lubelj or Vršič etc., but don't let them fool you into trying a hard winter tour, because they are not real crampons, they are for aid in walking in mid-mountains and lower, it's true that in November with little snow I crossed the calvary to Kredarica without problems - note others that day arrived without big issues even without them, they are just for a safer step and that's all, I recommend the purchase
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| suhi200023. 01. 2012 13:10:57 |
Hello
Was this weekend on Grintavec and saw tons of people with only these chain things on. Some went at least to Kokrško even without ice axe.
Had the 'privilege' live to see what walking with 6-point crampons on Grintavec in these conditions means. Thing ended very well, though not far from very bad. What J. Bele says in media whole week not totally nonsense as some think. Fact is walking with 12-pointers more tiring or annoying whatever, but winter walking never is and won't be like summer strolling. But people today want everything easy, mountains don't always let it slide.
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| urbancek23. 01. 2012 13:15:48 |
Obviously nothing terrible happened to such yet in life, or at least not witnessed bad injury... When first time seriously hurt, i.e. too late, then they'll know how and what...
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| JusAvgustin24. 01. 2012 16:37:48 |
Come on, stop bugging me with these chains already once. We all know that winter mountaineering is harder than summer strolling (not counting alpinism climbs), so fitness, head and gear must match, suitable for the planned feat and properly maintained. Chains don't belong in high mountains, at most for some walk in mid-mountains and smaller hills, as you already wrote. Using these crampons on winter tours is like... as urbancek said. For comparison weigh the backpack for summer (one-day tour) and winter tour and it will be clear to you.
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| gmirko25. 01. 2012 11:44:47 |
Now I would really like to know what crampons would be suitable for a bit higher than Šmarna gora. Model, brand and where to get them.
I only know they must have 12 points and be hiking ones. Thanks.
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| som6925. 01. 2012 12:24:08 |
I don't know if this thread will heat up to insanity; several predecessors have already precisely described what is used where when and why.
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| katty25. 01. 2012 18:54:37 |
Well, I had them today for Ratitovec, actually for the descent over Razor. I'm completely without remarks, they are super.
Attaching two pics of how they looked.
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| Swiss25. 01. 2012 19:44:55 |
Hello !
The chains that "katty" photographed. They are also very suitable for sledding. Both for going up and descending on locally icy sled track. When braking of course watch the dosing. The short spikes are nicely visible, allowing comfortable walking. Well, to me there's nothing wrong if this topic continues. More people, more experiences.
LP and safe in the mountains !
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