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| lijaneja22. 11. 2017 16:26:56 |
Commendable, Jani, that you showed up here too, because the PZS forum has never really taken off well. Nowhere else but here is this topic so desired, where you'll surely get some of your readers. Without middlemen, the price would probably be more favorable??
I wish you good sales, and readers to take away as much useful information as possible.
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| dragon26. 12. 2017 18:24:42 |
I read the above-mentioned book. Interesting and instructive reading. In the stories we also find some from hribi.net
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| jani bele4. 06. 2018 12:02:07 |
Warning
The main mountaineering season is at the door. Mountain huts are opening and the number of mountain visitors is increasing. Due to the large amounts of snow that fell this winter, some sections of hiking trails, especially those on northern approaches and crossing gullies, are still under snow. It's futile to expect that hikers who are just now starting to go to the mountains will have equipment that prevents slipping (ice axe and crampons), so here are a few tips:
when planning a tour, inquire about the conditions on the path (hut keepers, hribi.net web forum, mountaineering groups on FB),
choose paths that lead to peaks on the southern sides.
And some facts:
on snow we can slip very quickly,
with every meter the sliding speed increases,
don't overly trust the footprints made by predecessors in the snow. Often under the footprints there is hard snow or ice,
with hiking poles we certainly won't be able to stop the sliding,
fallen rocks give us deceptive support on snow,
before starting to cross a snowfield, look where we would stop if we slipped,
if the snowfield doesn't have a safe exit after a few meters, make the only correct decision – end the ascent and return to the valley,
but if we don't follow this advice and somewhere in the middle of the snowfield, looking into the depth, our pants start shaking, don't look for an exit ourselves and rather call 112. But be aware that mountain rescuers won't be able to reach us in the next moment.
Jani Bele, Commission for Information and Analysis at the Mountain Rescue Association of Slovenia
In the picture: path from Okrešelj to Kamniško sedlo (photo Matjaž Šerkezi)
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| Medvoščan29. 06. 2019 22:35:24 |
Today I wanted to go via Komarca to the seven lakes. At the beginning of the path there was a sign that the path is closed, so to the seven lakes via Komna.
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| ermate30. 06. 2019 17:53:30 |
Yes, that's because of the recent death of a female hiker on that path... After inspection they decided that due to fallen trees and popped pitons it's (too) dangerous and consequently they temporarily closed it. Mainly because of tourists in my opinion.
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| 2emeREI30. 06. 2019 18:32:13 |
On Tuesday an experienced female hiker from the Netherlands (full of treks in the Himalayas…) died on Komarca. Very likely she slipped on the "scree" during descent and fell about 80 m deep at an unprotected section of the path.
There are more and more foreigners in Slovenian hills and what do they know when going from Triglav towards Bohinj (usually tired from all-day hiking) what Komarca is. They probably don't read Hribi.net, and I don't know if it writes there that it's quite dizzy, partly equipped with fixed cables path.
In recent years quite a few accidents have happened here and since the Alpine Association doesn't act in terms of additional securing or at least renewing the already quite worn path, PD Matica (or its marking section responsible for maintaining Komarca) doesn't either, we Bohinj residents and associated members decided to do something for the people ourselves. On the principle that good example leads. And perhaps touches mountaineering politics too. With such an increase in visits to our mountains (mainly from foreigners) the issue will probably need to be addressed systematically..
So today at 5 am at Koča Savica, which is managed by PD Matica, we met the owner of Climbing School Pod Skalco Andrej Pikon (main organizer of the action), his friend Emil with partner Peggy (also Dutch) and acquaintance Mojca. We intended to carry and attach additional fixed cables to Komarca. This of course requires quite a bit of relatively heavy equipment, so we engaged three young guys (Miha, Zigat and Nejc) as "porters", whom we met in the morning at Savica and who planned to go to the seven lakes via Komarca. The guys gladly responded and helped carry all the necessary tools and materials to the top of Komarca. In addition to cables and tools we carried a sign to the top of Komarca that the path via Komarca is closed (until the path is at least somehow secured). We placed it at the junction where towards Bohinj (on descent from the Seven Lakes) one can easily descend also via Komna. Along the entire Komarca we installed pairs of fixed cables at the most exposed places; another pair will be installed by Emil and Andrej themselves in the next days; all of course at their own expense). At the same time we marked the pegs that an inattentive hiker can easily trip over.
The work this time was for about 5 hours. On the way back to the valley we stopped at Koča Savica, where the keeper Dejan invited us for coffee. Happy that we perhaps contributed something for the good of the people. Without a bill. And in the hope that good example leads. Or that the Alpine Association and/or responsible Mountaineering Societies get moving. It would be time. Or - how many more deaths are needed for things to move?
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| UROS130. 06. 2019 18:48:03 |
Bravo guys, all praise to the team.
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| julius30. 06. 2019 18:53:17 |
2emeREI
On the whole issue of the path over Komarča, I already warned the Trail Commission at PZS almost a year ago. No one even batted an eyelid. Of course, the PZS president is the long-time sole marker at PD Ljubljana-Matica. I also pointed out the fallen trees lying across the mentioned path - Savica-Komarča-Koča pri... I hope you also removed the damaged climbing rope that was installed on this path. But remove the pegs, because they are deadly dangerous.
Besides PD Ljubljana Matica, the Municipality of Bovec and TNP also bear a lot of responsibility. Their inspectors fine people for minor offenses, for example "Who cleared a path without their knowledge?". But they don't see in what condition the paths are and that hikers cause additional damage to nature by looking for and making detours.
Thanks that someone outside the bunch of chosen ones took the matter into his own hands.
The Bohinj mayor should compensate you from the tourist and promotional tax collected at mountain huts in the Bohinj municipality area.
Best regards to all.
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| Daaam30. 06. 2019 19:09:25 |
TNP guys have no time to deal with such unimportant topics. because..at the starting point for Kukova špica they already hand out fines of hundreds just because a person parks the car. #sampovem
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| jprim30. 06. 2019 19:41:59 |
To this topic I just add that our mountain trails are always worse maintained.
Regards!
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| jprim30. 06. 2019 20:09:44 |
The closer family members of the Dutch woman probably don't think like you.
Regards!
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| 2emeREI30. 06. 2019 20:33:17 |
TODAY EARLY MORNING AT 5:00 AM
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| julius1. 07. 2019 09:19:49 |
primoza
Given that you don't hike in the mountains but run and set your new personal records, you can't see nature, let alone the condition of the paths. From what you wrote, it's also clear that you've never heard of the "Mountain Trails Act" nor what the duties of the manager-owner of these paths are. When you went-ran over Komarča last time, you were extremely lucky not to hit the peg-nail sticking out in the middle of the path (15cm)
And also!
PDs are responsible for the paths, not individual markers. If the clubs, which are managers-owners of high mountain paths, don't have enough, let them ask markers from e.g. north-eastern Slovenia for help. There the paths are really well maintained-marked.
Primož! It's really a shame that in selfies you don't photograph anything else but yourself and your family.
No hard feelings.
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| julius1. 07. 2019 10:54:29 |
primoza
The comparison is very real. Since you don't know the issue, I'll explain that PZS within the Mountain Trails Commission also has a technical subcommission.
This is responsible for all equipped (with pegs and cables) paths. So the continuation of the path over Komarča via Sedmerih, Prehodavcev, Hribaric, Doliča and all the way to the start of the path to Rdeča škrbina (Triglav) is completely comparable to all paths in north-eastern Slovenia. Like there, on the mentioned path too, nothing more than good will is needed.
I've been seeing you, your gallery, your writing and family on this forum for years. Since I don't get into personal matters, I've never written anything in any of your arguments. But this time you delved into a matter where you can have your personal view, but you don't know either the laws or the responsibility of mountain trail caretakers (PZS and PD).
In case of this accident, the Police could even file a criminal complaint against the caretaker of the mentioned path (causing general danger, or something else)
I think enough persuasion. Laws are one thing, personal conviction another. Now decide.
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| exwannabe1. 07. 2019 11:56:14 |
What technical instructions, I don't care about your instructions. Read what you yourself wrote previously and my link. If it's not clear to you, it never will be. Go cool off a bit in Bistrico... because your writing is already absurd.  I'm done here because again someone is just seeking attention.
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| taubi41. 07. 2019 12:39:45 |
You can't explain it to someone who doesn't understand!
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| coffee1. 07. 2019 13:09:44 |
You asked for instructions, not regulations, although you might have meant the latter by instructions. Exwannabe gave you a link to instructions, which may or may not make sense, but they are existing instructions.
Currently anyone can go to Skuta via the eastern side, regardless of the warning. But whether there's a regulation dictating the respective PD to install a sign or not, I don't know, they probably decided for closure and subsequent renovation based on the minister's instructions and the law. They could have done the same on Komarča before the accident: decide for closure and subsequent renovation. After the accident, the above-mentioned "firefighting" action started outside the marking section and they put up a closed path sign on their own initiative.
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| coffee1. 07. 2019 13:17:24 |
But if on Skuta a rock tore from the rope and killed someone, without a sign posted, that also wouldn't be reason to criticize the PD maintaining the path?
If no regulations exist, then it's clear it's decided subjectively. Some up there assess that the path over Komarča is in such condition that it's dangerous for walking. PD can have its opinion, but then also bears responsibility if unable to decide sensibly.
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| coffee1. 07. 2019 13:30:11 |
"if it becomes dangerous for users due to changes in nature or damaged safety equipment and major maintenance works need to be carried out on it"
Quote from the law.
Is the path dangerous if one guy gets drunk at the hut, staggers along the path and tumbles into the abyss? Yes, it's dangerous, but that's no reason for closure.
So have changes in nature occurred on the path over Komarča, equipment damaged or renovation works needed? From what I've read, yes.
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