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| SamoK23. 05. 2016 19:04:40 |
Time and again I'm surprised by such posts (that one from gore-ljudje) and the enthusiastic approval that follows them.
1. I don't understand this need to search for everything that's worse in Slovenia than in .... (let everyone insert their ideal country). Personally I like it here very much. I see much more good than bad. So let others take us as an example!
2. It's not all as simple as written in the above article. In such comparisons it's always forgotten that Austria is the successor of the most powerful European empire which grabbed assets from half the world and still lives successfully off it. Slovenia was always a poor province compared to it and it's a miracle we're doing as well as we are.
3. Who actually wants more comfort and offerings (and thus more visitors) in our mountains? Not me. I understand the article's author wanting that and willing to pay 45 euros 60 times a year. But for some of us occasional jota is fine, even more often nothing or something brought from home, and we're perfectly happy there's no more visitors than there are.
4. Many visitors from the "more developed" world come to Slovenia precisely because not everything is fully commercialized yet.
And to avoid misunderstanding - I don't forbid anyone coming to our hills, but I wouldn't particularly invite them...
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| SamoK23. 05. 2016 19:06:39 |
mukica, in capitalism "lives well" from such changes only the owner. I don't know if that's really any better than a few bureaucrats drawing salaries.
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| nordkap23. 05. 2016 19:09:25 |
SamoK,
I'm completely of your opinion and on your side. A couple of thieves in SLO need to be put somewhere and it'll be even better, like Austria and yodelers, not us with those, nothing beats a genuine Slovene.
Everything nice home-style, everything nice natural,... for now and may it stay that way forever for me.
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| Daaam23. 05. 2016 19:26:24 |
Of course I don't need Austrian huts comfort either..but it gets on my nerves that we're equal in service prices, but service quality here makes me cry..and I think that's the biggest problem. I don't mind shitting behind nearby rock cuz house WC is so smelly I don't wanna be near, and won't die from half-warm beer can.. Fuck is that for almost same money I get somewhere glass of properly cooled draft beer, WC almost like home..and for stay don't need to put t-shirt over sweater cuz of smell.. If modest huts then matching prices. Don't tell me now ...bring your own cold beer..
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| SamoK23. 05. 2016 19:30:57 |
Daam, we're just different. None of that bothers me (or honestly, I don't even see it as you write). As for prices, I always leave generous tip in mountain huts on top, cuz I wanna contribute part of my earnings so they exist. Would give extra euro if it helped not to privatize them.
What prices in Austria or Tunguzia, doesn't interest me. If I go to Tunguzia, Slovenia prices don't interest me.
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| Daaam23. 05. 2016 19:40:32 |
SamoK ..without your strong drink the societies with huts in the heart of the park easily survive.. That's why they all jump into the air when you poke them a bit. Believe me that if it was positive zero at the end of the season, all huts would have been rented out long ago.
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| SamoK23. 05. 2016 19:53:12 |
In the above post I forgot one point
5. I don't understand people who always try to find something bad. Jota, toilets, sheets ... What's so bad about all that? If it were "Austrian style", they would find something else. Maybe the doormat in the wrong color combination ...
Sad.
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| lizika23. 05. 2016 19:56:32 |
You are the sad one, @SamoK, and not only in this "section"
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| lijaneja24. 05. 2016 09:09:09 |
I agree with you, Drago and ¨jax¨. Tomaž shook our reality well. We need to go around the world and also look into the pot elsewhere. Our rigidity is concreted. Sadly also some people who have persisted in PZS for years (on the same side of PV as the mentioned column.)
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| mito300025. 05. 2016 20:01:01 |
I have luxury at home, in the hills I seek peace, beauty, modesty, cheerful people and escape from the crazy world in the valley. And to see in the hills how everyone at the table browses the internet... please, I hope not for a long time.
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| jprim26. 05. 2016 08:44:44 |
Topic we've chewed some time ago.
Here really something needs to change, maybe even more than something...
When wandering high mountains, I have no desire to sleep in huts, rare exceptions... in season on Kredarica it stinks of urine all around, same on Planika... from own experience, not even about prices, because what you get here you often overpay.
Even in lower huts sometimes no better, for example on Čemšenika, with its modest height, WC shack - no water anywhere, I wanted to wash hands not after WC but after picking wild garlic, behind the bar I could, but she said something wrong with you...
Yes, on the other side there are huts that sell Sunday lunches, various parties (Gore), no trace of hikers, we were the only ones in mountaineering gear, because we went to a mountain hut, but no space...
Could write more and more, only thing I repeat, something must change in this area.
LP!
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| košuta1226. 05. 2016 09:48:45 |
I know a solution though: Actively join the mountaineering associations managing the huts, apply as manager or caretaker and no dilemma, you'll arrange things your way. Such good ideas and willing hands really can't be missed. And in the end it's not just for hikers and mountain visitors; you'll earn heaps of dinars for a carefree old age.
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| Daaam26. 05. 2016 10:05:48 |
@košuta12 Many have tried already - but the little roots in the societies are too deeply entrenched. Profitable huts aren't let out for rent, in calls for caretakers there's anyway the condition "cooperation with society leadership" which means you dance as they pipe. Of course, not to just condemn, there are some huts that stand out from average in tidiness and offer.
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| GregorC26. 05. 2016 13:32:51 |
Abroad they realize their huts are their main funding source and when they get that here too maybe something changes. As long as they count on funds from elsewhere and just moan cuz fewer and fewer (and even fewer coming), no changes.
There are bright exceptions here too aware hut will be ever more important financial source and adapt to it. And not by jacking up prices.
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| zdomec29. 05. 2016 16:32:24 |
Even abroad it's not always as it should be. Happened to me about 4 weeks ago. Nice spring day and I decided to visit Kalnik (Hrv. Zagorje), after about 2 hours of hiking I arrived at the mountain hut on Kalnik.
Nice big mountain hut, can say valley station. Asphalt road leads to the hut, something similar to Kamniška Bistrica. I sit at the table and want to order something hot to eat, waitress comes and explains that that day no food for regular hikers because cook has no time for preparation. What happened? Three buses arrived, probably pre-ordered with excursionists, everything reserved for them, inner tables set like a wedding. Of course regular hikers not interesting for profit. So PROFIT already priority in mountain huts too. People grumbled, got angry but nothing helped. Best off were hikers who had some food in backpack, but us others ordered drinks which they served, and nicely home. They knew excursionists coming, why not cook at least beans for other guests and all good.
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| ljubitelj gora29. 05. 2016 17:50:36 |
Some huts in winter time are open here too and really curious how many of you order drinks, food. Dom at Zelenica open in winter, hut at Kamniško sedlo too and Kredarica, but what when too little traffic.
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| GregorC29. 05. 2016 17:56:09 |
Ljubitelj gora, in winter I always at least tea with extra. If I don't plan to order anything I don't go to the hut at all.
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| ljubitelj gora29. 05. 2016 18:00:22 |
Already too little traffic turns over and huts can't develop. Try yourself sometime open your own place and work and you'll see what tough times are.
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| GregorC29. 05. 2016 18:12:09 |
With right offer and especially ATTITUDE a lot can be done. If not, well then it's really tough.
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