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| parenzo11. 11. 2019 14:37:38 |
@zippo,
Inspections are prevention. The fire is proof that they didn't follow regulations (no fire safety plan?, improper storage of flammable materials, !).
The owner is lucky it didn't happen at night, peak hiking season, when about 100 people, children... were sleeping in the rooms (evacuation plan?, what kind of alerting method did they have e.g. for dormitories, if it had caught fire in the ground floor?.. etc.).
We learn from mistakes. Advocating non-compliance with regulations guarantees continuation of mistakes. Regulations are not for bureaucrats, but for our safety! And ultimately damages.
That's why I don't understand your agitation and sarcasm regarding specific questions.
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| maks5711. 11. 2019 17:10:08 |
Dear female hikers! Hikers!
Recently we Slovenes united (not for the first time) and for the treatment of little Kris, for whom there is no guarantee of recovery, collected as much as 4 million euros. Let's unite once more and contribute to the reconstruction of our dear mountain huts at Okrešelj and Korošica.
I'm ready to participate right away. Unfortunately, I don't know how to organize the action. Whoever knows, I ask and urge them to step into action.
Instead of one, two or three beers, better a rebuilt hut.
I'm for it! Absolutely!
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| Fikret11. 11. 2019 17:48:53 |
Maks57, very likable and noble call. For such urgently needed mountain huts on Korošica and Okrešelj, with media help, surely a hefty pile of euros will be collected.
I'm for it! Absolutely!
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| zippo11. 11. 2019 18:16:26 |
parenzo, I'm not sarcastic, I'm realistic. How can a fire in your opinion already be proof that they didn't follow regulations? What if it was arson? I really hope you're not an expert in a position...
well, to continue - if there's suspicion for that, a complaint against a known or unknown person needs to be filed. And what happened after Korošica? Absolutely nothing. On TV yesterday we heard that the person who set the hut on fire can be seen everywhere in our mountains. No procedure, complaint, nothing in two years and that'll be it at the end.
This is our reality, not sarcasm
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| barbarela11. 11. 2019 18:55:24 |
@maks,
me too, I'm for it! With pleasure and satisfaction I'll contribute so we can soon drink that beer you mentioned in the rebuilt hut at Okrešelj.......or Korošica.
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| magroman11. 11. 2019 19:33:00 |
Well, that has already done a lot for us for the new hut on Korošica. Let rokb tell how much money we have already donated.
If such an action is organized, of course I'm in too, and I'll even take 1 week of vacation and help with my own hands.
best,
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| VanSims12. 11. 2019 10:09:52 |
@parenzo: at Korošica that woman set the hut on fire because she couldn't distinguish water from petrol. I think even such regulations and measures can't prevent such idiocies. Nothing is 'idiot-proof'. Unfortunately.
And I don't say she should be chased through all possible courts now, anyway the damage is such that she couldn't repay it till death but some complaint could really be written and some penalty (maybe conditional) imposed. The point of punishment isn't settling things backwards as still thought here but forwards as social prevention and rehabilitation of the offender. She was Polish though.
What happened at Okrešelj we don't know yet... If it was arson then all prevention and regulations are in vain.
On the other hand I agree and really maybe in this area in our huts it's still done socialistically and haphazardly but at least in the case of Korošica it's completely meaningless.
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| rokb12. 11. 2019 10:42:51 |
magroman.....
From donations for Korošica around 50000eur have been collected. These are only donations, without contribution from PZS membership fees.
On this occasion PD Matica- Celje thanks once again for all donated funds.
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| Lukito12. 11. 2019 10:53:30 |
So, no worries for Korosica. There's insurance, plenty of donations, surely many good-hearted people will help. And the thing will get sorted.
In any case, I wouldn't mix this with Okrešelj, then there won't be either one or the other. Slowly and wisely.
Parenzo, no offense but does it really make sense to cite some rules here, what is and what isn't? In our dear country we've had enough of this, the state apparatus is a bottomless pit, so many papers that you end up confused, we pay lawyers because no one understands anything anymore. Some order must be there, but so many plans, minutes and other paperwork would beat common sense. Every day, 24 hours a day.
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| 5Xum12. 11. 2019 10:59:00 |
@parenzo:
"The fire is proof that they didn't comply with regulations"
So you're claiming that never in human history has a building burned down whose owner fulfilled all regulations?
In your alternative reality, pyromaniacs, lightning strikes and incomplete regulations simply... don't exist?
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| parenzo12. 11. 2019 13:36:05 |
VanSims, zippo..., typical "redneck" reactions. Read again what I wrote. Did I mention court, human history... and other nonsense? Who is responsible, I don't care! That's for the paid investigators, police etc.
As a mountaineer though I have the duty to (well-meaningly) warn and ENCOURAGE everyone that such a thing doesn't happen again. To not happen, it's necessary to RESPECT regulations. The cause of the fire is only that the regulation on storing flammable substances wasn't respected – specifically kerosene. Period!
Fire safety regulation, simply written so even kids understand: http://www.pisrs.si/Pis.web/pregledPredpisa?id=PRAV7259#
PS: if a 5 year old finds matches in the hayloft and sets it on fire, who's guilty? The child or the one who left the matches there?
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| zavest12. 11. 2019 13:43:07 |
> PS: if a 5 year old finds matches in the hayloft and sets it on fire, who's guilty? The child or the one who left the matches there?
It's 2019, the hay is guilty because it was in the wrong place at the moment of fire. 
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| Zebdi12. 11. 2019 13:44:57 |
parenzo - it's necessary to ensure everyone respects regulations. Now the next question: how to ensure continuous supervision of regulation compliance in winter rooms, which are usually in quite remote locations?
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| 5Xum12. 11. 2019 14:14:13 |
@parenzo:
I suggest you become the first signatory of a petition demanding that the fire inspection regularly checks the fire safety situation in all winter rooms in the Slovenian Alps. The current situation is simply shocking, as there are winter rooms that remain without proper control for a whole week, the only "excuse" the inspection allows itself are some far-fetched nonsense about "access difficulty", "avalanche danger" and similar nonsense.
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| parenzo12. 11. 2019 14:21:21 |
@zebdi, I think it really can't be a problem for members of the mountaineering club that owns the hut - winter room or bivouac, to check it during a winter tour and arrange if necessary..and warn...
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| mirank12. 11. 2019 14:21:58 |
You can tell full moon and rainy weather too
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| magroman12. 11. 2019 16:43:47 |
rokb
Thanks for the info.
best regards,
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| dRM15. 11. 2019 11:21:35 |
Can someone write exactly which turning point is meant?
Thanks.
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