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| Zebdi15. 11. 2019 11:23:44 |
I'd bet it's the parking lot below Rinka waterfall.
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| redbull15. 11. 2019 12:55:59 |
You can easily get it
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| maks5716. 11. 2019 13:52:11 |
If anyone wants to donate, PD Celje Matica has opened an account:
TRR: 0510 0801 6743 162, account opened at Abanka Celje.
I'm waiting for them to arrange SMS donations, which is much easier and should be set up soon.
Let's go, dear female and male hikers!
Let's show how much we loved the hut at Okrešelj and how much we want it back.
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| Hammond16. 11. 2019 18:09:44 |
Hello, I'm wondering if e.g. Celje, Ljubljana, Maribor, Murska Sobota Matica are organizationally linked so they can help each other, or if they are completely separate societies each strictly managing their own huts? Thanks for the answer.
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| Janez Seliškar16. 11. 2019 18:16:08 |
Each society is completely independent.
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| Hammond16. 11. 2019 18:16:52 |
Thank you kindly for the answer.
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| dRM16. 11. 2019 21:09:38 |
The path to Okrešelj was today quite "wet" above the waterfall due to all the rain, otherwise the work action succeeded, but more will be needed before the hut stands again.
If anyone wants more about the action, HERE.
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| miri16. 11. 2019 21:59:38 |
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| zokipoki16. 11. 2019 22:26:17 |
Really commendable! I'd join gladly if I knew, but I didn't see the notice here. Maybe next time if there's a chance. Good luck!
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| SamoK17. 11. 2019 08:04:13 |
>I'm waiting myself for them to set up donating via SMS ...
But I'm waiting for them to set up donating with AliPay.
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| Guest17. 11. 2019 13:03:13 |
Fire safety in mountain huts - Alpine Association ...
https://www.pzs.si › public › Managers'_assembly › Fire safety in mounta...
What happens if the hut is full in season and a fire breaks out? Kitchens are on the ground floor, hikers sleep on shared bunks high up in the hut attic. How will we escape if fire blocks the evacuation route? By jumping through windows? Check the height of the hut on Kredarica, Staničeva hut and Planika hut. Nowhere are external aids like ladders, poles or thick ropes installed to allow escape from heights in case of fire. If staying on shared bunks, we might face a 10-meter jump through the window to escape the fiery hell. In 2012 we stayed with family on shared bunks in Staničeva hut. It was July, quite hot, and hikers on shared bunks wanted the window open. Cool mountain air is better than smells of various farts, sweaty shirts, socks...
No, no, the window couldn't be opened, it was screwed shut with two long wooden screws. Is this safe, is it even allowed or normal at all?!
Look at photos of the hut under Veliki Klek - Erzherzog Johann Hutte or hut Emanuele under Gran Paradiso. Escape options via side ladders or fire stairs.
What about us? Laws and rules are just on paper, not respected. And when fire comes, no more laws, rules or hut. I hope PZS Slovenia is aware of this issue and strongly wish they act before it's too late.
When reading the above PZS article and thinking about current situation, just due to fire regs many high huts could be closed. In 2011 on Kredarica in lower rooms near kitchen or "opposite" reception, two foreign hikers were cooking pasta on a wooden bench. Despite open fire ban in hut! Staff saw it but didn't act. Why not, they know best. We know a stove can tip over, catch backpack, clothes, wooden structure and it's too late. Imagine such hiker cooking soup or coffee even in room.
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| julius17. 11. 2019 14:17:49 |
en-goldy
I fully agree with your findings. Regarding fire safety, in almost all high mountain stations, the moment we decide to stay overnight, we opt for the Russian roulette. It's not just what you wrote, there's much more. These are bars-grilles on windows. Installed because of us, so when the station is closed we can't "almost" freely enter it, but in case of fire we can't exit. And the circle is closed. As for donation for Okrešelj, I'll give 100.00€ the moment they inform the public about:
- cause of the fire
- how much the hut was insured for
- how much they raised the insurance premium after
the fire on Korošica
- how they defined the tenant's or custodian's responsibility in the contract
- financial statement of their stations' operations
- amount of rent, if there was a tenant
These questions are a bit tricky. The PD president is by law from 2018 the owner of the association and thus automatically owner of all objects. I think he's the right person to prepare the answer.
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| Guest17. 11. 2019 15:32:35 |
julius
No problem collecting money for reconstruction or new build, as Slovenes have proven many times we can unite when inevitable happens.
But PD are owners of these objects and as such should better care for safety of their objects and visitors. Also profit from their activities should return more to huts. Just installing smoke detectors in critical hut areas, or camera connected to home association, fire brigade, police, could help. Such cameras and installation not big financial burden. If no electricity at site, can use accumulators, batteries or even photovoltaics. Good example solar cell on new bivouac 2 on Jezerih, has solar cell above door to charge phone, light... How much does an aluminum ladder cost, attached outside hut for fairly safe evacuation? Fire on Korošica shouldn't have happened if fire rules followed even a bit.
In winter room no flammable liquids at all!! If no flammable liquid in winter room, maybe no fire. In winter room on Kamnik saddle, happy if find dry-not damp blanket, tea cook with own gas stove, water as snow. Years ago overnight in Kam. saddle winter room, broken window glass. Wind blew snow into winter room, nothing left but seal hole with blanket. Report damage to home PD and fixed soon. Also times when found "šporget" or stove-gasparček in bivouacs or winter huts gone and good so. People lazy to bring log, twigs, instead grabbed first chair, smashed against wall and had logs. Beds-bunks had from below "dile colarice" with yogis placed on which to sleep-rest. On 2m length, lucky to sleep on 3-4 boards. Felt like sleeping on waves. Hope no liters of petrol, kerosene or else stored in other winter rooms and bivouacs. Also changing gas cartridges should be outdoors, never in enclosed space!! But sadly often see individuals do it in bivouacs or even winter room. With excuse wind outside and cold.
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| ločanka17. 11. 2019 16:05:51 |
It's extremely suspicious to me that it burned practically after hut closure. I don't know why at my first and of course last visit to this hut in October I had feeling that the one serving was a bit under influence of some substances, as he was very dazed and not friendly at all or just had bad day. No idea if custodian, cook or someone else.
The hut itself I liked extremely and wondered why I delayed visiting so long.
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| panda17. 11. 2019 17:38:26 |
It's sad that without charity nowadays almost nothing works anymore.... regardless of whether the cause is the bureaucratic state with its "inhuman regulations for the small citizen" or those who, with their negligence or ignorance, caused damage to the property they manage. And then they "rule" on as if nothing happened.
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| julius17. 11. 2019 18:03:46 |
I like to help all who are in distress one way or another. But I am in no way prepared for every person who has 5 minutes of time to... When factories, warehouses, workshops, inns and... burned, no one went around with a monstrance collecting voluntary contributions. For me, mountain huts are like everything else connected to hospitality: a profit-making activity.
Remember how they fleeced you in all huts already for one single beer.
More or less all of us pay various insurances from health insurance to house and apartment insurance etc. If someone could prove to me that all this paying for insurances is unnecessary and that someone will collect cash for paying damages and repairing damaged things if anything happened to me (health-wise, car, house, mountain rescue...), you can be assured I wouldn't pay a cent for insurance.
But there is one cruel truth, and that is that so-called humanitarian organizations and self-proclaimed humanitarian money collectors live the best.
Isn't it nice that they exploit people's goodness and buy themselves...
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| Loerst17. 11. 2019 18:35:53 |
julius: "The PD president is by law from 2018 owner of the association and thus automatically owner of all objects."
Well, you blew this one. The association president certainly is not "owner of the association", let alone owner of its property. The 2018 amendment changed only that for association obligations which it cannot pay and which result from members' actions, the responsible persons guarantee with their personal property.
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| jax17. 11. 2019 22:22:15 |
@julius
I like to help all in distress one way or another. But no way prepared that anyone with 5 min time on... When factories, warehouses, workshops, inns burned..., no one went with monstrance collecting voluntary contributions. For me mountain stations like all connected to hospitality, profit-making activity.
Remember how they fleeced you in all stations already for one single beer.
OK, if you think the only function of mountain huts is ripping off visitors, then of course there is no sense in donating anything. But in reality it is like this. If your favorite inn burned down, you would very likely also inquire about the possibility of how to help. If the factory of products you like or perhaps even the one where you once worked burned down, maybe too. And yes, probably some of us look at mountain huts in that light too. Of course it is basically a profit-making activity. But they are also objects that greatly facilitate for us (and occasionally even enable) the activity we like to do, and in one of which we have already spent some nice moments. And if a situation arises where the custodian offers help for the continued operation of the object, why not?
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