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| jprim9. 11. 2019 20:26:57 |
Well, I blew it regarding the pasture name. I know where things stand.
My opinion on huts is still the same as I commented.
We're just a comparison for the Balkans.
Regards!
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| jax9. 11. 2019 21:01:51 |
I have to admit I really don't understand how huts, say, in Italy so terribly surpass us. Yes, food is a bit better (but only if you're there for main meal), beds are quite comparable. As for order and boozing, well - let's be honest - in Slovenia too except some known problematic spots it's not that bad. Some drinking and fun happens, but overall we're tolerant to those leaving early.
And yes, this year I felt great in Rifugio Aosta under Dent d'Hérens. Idyllic setting, small remote hut with long approach, yet good food and wonderful atmosphere. But - simple pleasant huts with good food exist in our hills too.
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| SamoK9. 11. 2019 21:25:30 |
dprapr, I don't agree it's generational difference. I know old and young for whom everything in Slovenia is worse than elsewhere - from huts in hills to wages and politics.
Nothing, some just like to be dissatisfied.
I like it here tremendously. Been on all continents except S. America and Antarctica, spent longer in many countries, nowhere nearly as nice and in other aspects (welfare, peace, little crime, cleanliness) few world parts surpass Slovenia.
Austria? No way!
Italy - Conditionally, some parts.
Switzerland - No chance!
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| lijaneja9. 11. 2019 21:43:56 |
No wonder we have such refugee influx
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| Lunatixz9. 11. 2019 21:47:50 |
I couldn't agree more with your statement SamoK.
I've traveled a lot too (and no, I don't mean 14-day vacations where everything is organized and planned) and the fact is, it's really nice in Slovenia - much better than most people realize.
The only negative thing about our beautiful country is mainly this constant negativism and complaining about everything.. I really needed quite some time to get used again to the "whining" after longer absence due to traveling - thank God for the mountains, where I could (almost) every weekend isolate for at least a day, consequently easier "integrate" back into our Slovenian society 
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| SamoK9. 11. 2019 21:49:23 |
lijaneja - where did you see so many of them?
Please provide concrete data, not right-wing racist paranoia!
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| bbugari110. 11. 2019 00:03:40 |
Topic is Okrešelj!!! 
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| VanSims10. 11. 2019 06:22:44 |
When talking about huts abroad, be cautious. Abroad it largely depends on the area's recognizability or hiker influx or, if we can say, 'commercialization'.
So our and Italian Julian Alps aren't comparable. In both huts are on roughly the same level but we need to realize that the Western Julians are for Italians one of the most remote provinces in the Alps. Ours are main profit centers not just of our mountaineering but of the entire tourism. I won't exaggerate if I say per square km in high season at least as crowded as the Dolomites. And look at the Dolomites huts!
About Austria of course no need, since one province already surpasses us in that regard, not to mention the main profit centers (Grossglockner, Dachstein...). True though, here and in Italy the atmosphere is often more homely and also the look and interior of the huts themselves. Here I partly agree with those against deluxe and modern huts, although it is still better than a rundown, old, otherwise homely hut or even nothing (yes, there could be a few more of them here, some new one could be built, especially in the Julians).
Food was also mentioned. I think we're roughly on the same level here. In Slovenia you won't find Wiener schnitzel with fries on the menu, which the average Slovene in an Austrian hut (in my experience) immediately pounces on as if there weren't many other local dishes on it and as if he couldn't eat it at home in a local tavern. So the absence of such dishes doesn't bother me. What I ate in our huts was mostly good. The choice of dishes is solid, but it really can't compare to the choice in Austria and in larger Italian huts, even if we disregard those that you get in every tavern in the valley.
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| jax10. 11. 2019 08:51:01 |
In the Dolomites I slept only in one - Rifugio Passo Principe in the Catenaccia group, but I stopped at several more. Yes, nice hut (it helped that it had just been renovated). But that some Raduha or Prehodavci should hide before it didn't seem so to me.
As for Austrian huts - that famous Erzherzog seemed to me a markedly unfriendly place, crowded and full of nervous people. Maybe it was just the altitude
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| lino10. 11. 2019 10:47:34 |
I'm really glad there's still so much patriotism and love for the homeland. Given all I've heard and seen and the country's prosperity, it really shouldn't be a problem to renovate two mountain huts. Generally - two million inhabitants - each just one euro, and there are two mountain huts and plenty of coins left. And right away we'll see everything in brighter colors and be better friends too.
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| edoo10. 11. 2019 11:01:20 |
I agree, I don't know what's so wrong with our huts that they need to be closed, give some more concrete info. Do you want hotels in the mountains like with our northern and western neighbors, gondola up the mountain, reservations in the hut, all sorts of menus, crowds of Japanese who of course bring money. Huts were originally meant as shelters and were really modest. I don't think they have to stay exactly like that, but the charm is in keeping some authenticity, modesty and of course friendly staff. We go to the mountains to experience nature's beauties, learn about shepherds' life on the pasture, taste their food etc, not to have everything like in the valley.
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| magroman10. 11. 2019 12:06:03 |
I contributed quite a bit to the renovation of the hut on Korošica and probably wasn't the only one with such an amount. Quite some euros had to be collected. I'd be ashamed if nothing has been done by now.
In the case of Okrešelj I'll just wait until work starts. Hope soon, more likely my kid will get married first, and he's only 12.
LP,
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| rokb10. 11. 2019 21:24:08 |
Hello.... magroman
First thanks for the donation for the renovation of the hut on Korošica. But I have to correct you on what was done regarding Korošica. Yes, probably not much to show. However, if you were on Korošica in the last two months, you could have noticed that the new hut is already staked out. On the ground there are orange marked stakes. They show the basic dimensions of the new building. At the same time, precise measurements were made for the implementation projects. Planned was also the demolition of wall remains, but in the end the decision prevailed to do it next year, because this year it wasn't economically justified. Machines need to be brought up and no way to leave them over winter on Korošica.
But the situation with Okrešelj has now turned everything upside down. Simply too early to say anything. Fact is, building both huts will be damn hard. I think the last thing the Matica Celje mountaineering association needs these days is mudslinging.... especially unjustified mudslinging. They are just an association and the entire construction committee consists of volunteers who do all the work voluntarily in their free time. Expecting something to be done overnight is utopia.
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| hribov.ec10. 11. 2019 21:28:53 |
Yes, in that sense as edoo says!
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| bbugari110. 11. 2019 23:26:00 |
rokb:
Simply and shortly: were Korošica and Okrešelj insured or not?
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| rokb11. 11. 2019 12:10:00 |
bbugaril1
Korošica was insured. Insurance payout received. Also the remaining necessary funds to get the new building under roof next year and close it are secured.
Okrešelj is also insured. But to what extent at the moment I don't know.
More information will take more time. For now no quick decision on the future of both huts.
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| bbugari111. 11. 2019 12:57:21 |
But for that praise to PD Celje!
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| parenzo11. 11. 2019 13:28:37 |
I submit my thoughts, or view on the situation:
Given the fact that the fire on Korošica happened due to improper storage of flammable substance, I ask:
- did the building have, according to the Fire Regulations, a Fire Plan made art.1 par.1
- removal of flammable substances ...art.3, 3
- are there annexes on regular inspections..and implementation...and findings from inspections..art.5, 3
- instructions for visitors... art.7
- control inspections art.13 par.1
etc...
Link: http://www.pisrs.si/Pis.web/pregledPredpisa?id=PRAV7259#
So: Was the legal control inspection done? Where is the record? What were the findings, remarks, warnings..?
Or otherwise, if the person controlling the implementation of legally prescribed fire safety had carefully checked the contents of cabinets and the way flammable substances were stored in the Hut, the fire probably wouldn't have happened.
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| magroman11. 11. 2019 13:34:35 |
rokb:
You haven't convinced me. You wrote a lot, but still almost nothing done.
lp,
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| zippo11. 11. 2019 13:42:25 |
Question really, but parenzo why does it interest you so much?
Even if all answers are completely yes, and they fulfilled all requirements, no one will cover all the damage for them. The insurance won't give even a cent more than required for the policy, which surely wasn't high. They might get for the roof covering, or not even that, if some bureaucrat hangs on their back
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