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| lubadar9. 08. 2013 21:22:18 |
dprapr, I agree, the essence of it all is that we go to the mountains for ourselves, doesn't matter how high and how often
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| JusAvgustin10. 08. 2013 08:06:40 |
If you're in the same league as Igor, then 50 tours is really little. Otherwise it's not about the number, for me it's mainly about the quality of ascents both experientially and internally. Maybe this too, everyone who asked got an answer, such or "different". But if it's hard for someone to look three posts back, maybe even with pictures about path condition, then... Well, I don't know. And if everyone followed the principle "check first, then ask" there would be much less conflicts and useless comments and bad mood. Anyway, I personally replied to every ZS even if sometimes I didn't exactly know what the person wanted from me. But that belongs to another topic. The heat has eased, now time for nice tours, good luck everyone and without "nonsense" in the mountains! Life is only one, mountain won't collapse tomorrow.
Cheers!
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| otiv10. 08. 2013 08:23:35 |
Let's get along,
to the beloved mountains let's go,
grudges in the valley leave,
nice day let's rejoice,
since we don't know what tomorrow
maybe hiking boots won't be put on. 
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| fanton10. 08. 2013 22:17:51 |
I was on the mountain on Thursday, great weather, also on Friday after 8am.
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| dprapr2. 09. 2013 10:32:37 |
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| julius9. 09. 2013 21:17:18 |
Meanwhile, as the PZS president creates "new law on hiking paths", the situation is as follows.
The path to Razor is OFFICIALLY CLOSED. PZS direction signs still direct mountaineers to Razor.
Who takes responsibility in this case if something happens, the mountaineer or the path manager who didn't properly warn the mountaineer that the path is closed?
Sloppiness without precedent.
All congratulations to PZS leadership.
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| VanSims9. 09. 2013 21:48:42 |
Well, when I went to Prisojnik (sometime end of July), there were quite a few notices about the path closure to Razaor. I won't put my hand in the fire but I think also at this spot. If someone tore them down that's another thing.
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| Trobec9. 09. 2013 21:57:01 |
This isn't the same signpost as in the upper picture but it's 5min aside.
It's true that such paper notices quickly "fall off" (wind, rain,...)
Photo taken 1.8.
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| lynx9. 09. 2013 21:58:10 |
Since the path past Razor to pode is open again, it's only a question whether the signs are still in place up to the Razor summit.
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| julius9. 09. 2013 22:05:47 |
From Vršič side there are no notices that the path is closed.
What was and what wasn't is in that moment when the signpost directs someone to Razor and after five and a half hours of hiking finds out that the path to the summit is closed, completely irrelevant.
Now imagine what "nice" expressions they would utter at the Planja saddle, of course, if "paper" notices are still there.
With current technology, no excuse.
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| dprapr9. 09. 2013 22:40:10 |
I can't imagine how you can close a "path" to someone in mountains! At most you can warn about dangerous or impossible access. And that was done if I'm not mistaken.
If we reach Planja saddle we can be satisfied and no "nice" words needed if can't go to top. Always good if there's reason to turn back up there! Otherwise more peaks around, Razor will wait.
Ups, if it doesn't collapse entirely!
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| julius9. 09. 2013 23:05:21 |
dprapr
9.9.2013 I can't imagine how you can close a "path" to someone in mountains! At most warn about dangerous or impossible access. And that was done if not mistaken.
If you read previous discussion well you could see from attached photo that it wasn't done.
Direction signs - they direct hikers to Razor. Path is officially closed. And how do you think warning or path closure was done if direction signs show nothing wrong with path.
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| IgorZlodej10. 09. 2013 07:40:55 |
Sometimes it was already hard to get someone to carry up a warning about path closure (writing about Mangart), let alone that someone would remove direction signs from all sides, but if you prepare properly for the tour nothing surprises you
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| 5Xum10. 09. 2013 07:42:35 |
@julius:
if heading to demanding path it's appropriate to inquire about current conditions on it. In computer age hikers' excuses "nowhere written it's closed" no longer count.
I agree it would be proper to have as many notices as possible and also at Vršič some notice would probably just help but responsibility is also on hikers' side.
Just on Hribi.net portal you have notice about Razor path closure on descriptions of ALL paths to it on forum about current conditions and in this thread besides news about rockfall and path closure was published. This news reported also on RTV news on MMC portal on SIOL portal and on 24ur.com probably also on 24 hours show. Actually dare say every hiker who heads to Razor and doesn't know about rockfall is careless and poorly informed and thus danger to self and other mountain visitors.
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| JusAvgustin10. 09. 2013 08:42:25 |
"Sometimes it was already hard to even get someone to carry up the warning about path closure (Mangart), let alone to remove signs from all sides, but if you prepare properly for the tour, nothing surprises you [rolling eyes]"
otherwise, you turn around, where's the problem here
tour preparation is anyway 80% of the tour and it must be taken very seriously! The remaining 20% is beer on the tour analysis
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| serznoz10. 09. 2013 11:10:55 |
"For one's own safety in the mountains, in my opinion, everyone is always responsible for themselves. Mentioning such or other shortcomings on signposts, signs etc. is just an excuse for blaming others. It is true that marks are sometimes not updated, but dear ones: inquire before going on the path. With today's technology and flood of information sources, there is no excuse if something surprises us in the mountains (except maybe the weather). If it happens, I blame myself. Therefore: preparation, preparation, and preparation once more ...
Otherwise: it is wise to turn back when it goes no further. The mountain will wait.
Good luck!"
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| julius10. 09. 2013 11:48:23 |
Dear folks!
What is written below does not apply to Igor Zlodjej, because his experiences and knowledge of the mountains are really way above the level of the others who are pontificating on this forum.
It's really interesting how quickly some "very, very experienced" ones pop up who superficially skimmed what was written and rushed to pontificate.
What the actual level of visitors to Slovenian mountains is can be seen already in the results of the poll on this forum, not to mention all other issues (knowledge of mountains, clothing, footwear, boozing, unpreparedness etc..)
Unfortunately, Czechs and Slovaks have overtaken us in all the above, not to mention Croats.
Let's get back to the main topic. The directional sign is there to guide you and to get all the data about the path on it. That's how it's arranged abroad too and that's what the hiking trails law says. If a path is closed it must be clearly visible already at the starting points and period (the law specifies how the closure must be marked). No Balkan-style excuse here.
And how will the path manager and the associated PZS explain all our wisecracking to angry foreign mountaineers at Planja saddle? Will they say "sorry, we're just joking"?
Why do you think so many get lost in the mountains? Don't guess, go to the mountains to less crowded peaks and paths and look. How is it marked? Where are the directional signs? How overgrown are the paths? How for years and years no one removes fallen trees?
In one word - big shame.
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| Daaam10. 09. 2013 12:34:18 |
@julius: You're making a mountain out of a molehill. If right now (I don't know) at Planja saddle there's a notice about the closed path to Razor, that's it. Well, mountains/conditions change and if someone had to turn back at the saddle, or had to settle for "just" Planja, so be it. These are mountains, not a shopping mall where every beam is marked with fluorescent tape. Would you really want such paths? I really don't know why there's a stronger trend that people want/have all information served on a platter. As mentioned above, preparation for the trip is key for the inexperienced, those with lots of mileage in the mountains anyway know how things work and won't be grumpy because of a missing sign anywhere. And of course abroad not all paths (less known) are perfectly maintained.
The quote you cite: "Don't guess, go to the mountains to less crowded peaks and paths and look. How is it marked? Where are the directional signs? How overgrown are the paths? How for years no one removes fallen trees?" is almost a bit funny, because I think most who replied to you actually only hike less crowded peaks, poorly or unmarked paths ..and yeah happily sometimes climb over a fallen tree
No hard feelings
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| zdomec10. 09. 2013 13:06:54 |
100 women and big circus on Triglav
This weekend there was again the famous hike "100 women on Triglav". This hike, about 50 years ago, had a completely different purpose and mission. But today, when I look at those pictures and the description of the event in the red magazine, I'm angry and sad. This hike is completely commercialized and has only one purpose. Marketing promotion of various products and companies. Please don't get hot blooded, this is just my personal opinion.
They even dragged the MILK queen up there.
no hard feelings
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| JusAvgustin10. 09. 2013 13:47:02 |
Wait, did the cow go to Triglav?! Poor beast!
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