Slovenian two-thousanders
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| robson6. 11. 2019 09:16:45 |
My heart hurts when I see on the "mountain" app among thousands of Americans and English only a handful of Slovenian users, who are known as a nation of mountaineers... 
So if anyone is interested, the app is Peakbagger, the related portal is
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| lijaneja6. 11. 2019 15:52:29 |
Robson, please help! The link opens for me now, but I can't find the list of Slovenian two-thousanders anywhere.
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| robson6. 11. 2019 15:57:15 |
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| lijaneja6. 11. 2019 16:42:52 |
Thanks for the effort, @robson.
If that's it, unfortunately it doesn't help me at all.
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| dprapr6. 11. 2019 18:19:23 |
And where is the list of all Slovenian two-thousanders?
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| piotr6. 11. 2019 18:32:46 |
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| dprapr6. 11. 2019 18:57:57 |
Where on peakbagger?
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| lijaneja6. 11. 2019 20:40:26 |
Thanks, @piotr and @turbo, I have combed through both lists multiple times. The first is incomplete, missing quite a few well-known hills (don't know why they are written in three colors), the second is even too extensive, I can't find some peaks anywhere on hiking maps, some transboundary peaks are also listed. Don't understand how, if the title is 'Slovenski dvatisočaki'. Unless Kern used the system 'Trieste is ours'?
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| robson6. 11. 2019 23:00:51 |
The above lists of two-thousanders are both very extensive and contain quite a few peaks with minimal relative height (simplified: prominence above surroundings), some of them even have relative height 0, meaning they are not really peaks at all. In the Peakbagger list of Slovenian two-thousanders, all Slovenian peaks over 2000m with at least 100m relative height are included - so it's a collection of main or more important two-thousanders without subsidiary peaks. Interesting and somewhat atypical are also lists of the most prominent (Slovenian) peaks by relative height, where we find beautiful and usually very panoramic peaks that are sometimes less crowded due to their lower height (e.g. because they don't qualify as two-thousanders). Like this one: https://www.peakbagger.com/list.aspx?lid=4348 .
Otherwise, there are probably not many heroes who have reached all 94 Slovenian two-thousanders from the Peakbagger list ( https://www.peakbagger.com/list.aspx?lid=2360 )... 
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| piotr6. 11. 2019 23:38:55 |
To tell the truth, this (Peakbagger) list also has quite a few inconsistencies.
E.g.: Krničke gore is not even listed as a subsidiary peak, although it is approx. 140m lower than Mrzla gora.
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| robson6. 11. 2019 23:46:18 |
On this list only the numbered peaks are relevant, the others are more or less random remaining two-thousanders in the database. Only above 2500m should all be included, even subsidiary peaks.
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| dprapr7. 11. 2019 06:48:15 |
But I still don't understand why your "heart hurts" because of some inconsistent foreign site for our mountains, where not even all names are in Slovenian.
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| lijaneja7. 11. 2019 08:18:26 |
You're right, @robson, from your list of 94 (136) peaks, I'm missing Kanin Velika Baba. The mentioned 'Britev' is probably Razor, which I visit every year
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| piotr7. 11. 2019 08:58:54 |
@lijaneja, Britev is the translator's work, of course Razor.
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| robson7. 11. 2019 09:51:11 |
Congratulations @lijaneja, great achievement, not many mountaineers can boast that! So now as soon as possible also to Kanin Velika Baba, to complete the list!
I don't see "Britev" because I don't have an active translator. In the original list it's of course Razor.
@dprapr: I just wish to see more entries from Slovenians on Slovenian peaks. If we're precise, there are no inconsistencies on Peakbagger - all lists are accurate and complete according to certain, stated criteria (as I already wrote for the example of the Slovenian two-thousanders list). All peaks in the database located on Slovenian territory have the Slovenian name in the description. The problem is only that the primary name visible in lists can be only one, and peaks on borders sometimes have Slovenian and sometimes foreign name - not all can have Slovenian primary name, otherwise foreign mountaineers would have the same problems. The peak search finds all peaks with Slovenian name and if you click on the peak name, other names and many other properties are shown.
My post was just a well-meaning advice for use - more of an app than a program. The lists themselves are not the main advantage, as they can be found elsewhere, the main useful advantage appears only after entering own ascents to peaks, when the ascent log is shown in a thousand and one ways, lots of personal stats and ultimately also progress on various peak lists, both in Slovenia and abroad. From my experience, the desire then arises to complete one of the lists and thus get lots of ideas for new trips...
Of course I don't twist anyone's arm to use it, everyone has to decide for themselves if it's interesting or not. But of course it's always easier to find flaws that are everywhere than to focus on the positive side...
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| julya9. 12. 2020 20:43:45 |
Now in lockdown I'm combing through lists of two-thousanders and as a layman the same question keeps coming up. How is the starting or reference saddle determined for calculating peak prominence (I read for example that for Mangart it's Vršič, for Grintovec even Rateče)? For a layman these are sometimes somewhat illogical points, but probably there is a professional justification...
If someone can write this to me, I'll be happy.
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| nickolas169. 12. 2020 21:09:03 |
you consider a certain peak-mountain and look around for peaks higher than it. Then for each such higher peak you find the highest geographical connection by elevation to the considered peak. The highest such connection or saddle represents the reference elevation for calculating the prominence of the considered peak (prominence = elev. of considered peak - elev. of saddle).
Mangart for example is connected to the higher Montaž range via Predel pass, to the higher Triglav via Vršič. Since Vršič elevation is higher than Predel, Mangart prominence =2679-1611. Say Grintavec is not connected to Austrian mountains because Klagenfurt basin is in between. Higher are nearby Montaž and Triglav, connected highest via Rateče. But since Triglav is higher than Montaž, we say that one is decisive
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| julya9. 12. 2020 21:36:18 |
Aha, thanks. And is this determined in some topographic maps or elsewhere? Another question: sometimes I read that the criterion for a peak is 30 meters of relative height, elsewhere 50m...
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| lijaneja2. 01. 2021 18:31:36 |
The criterion for a peak is the name and measured height
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| DVas24. 06. 2026 18:41:05 |
Hello.
Quite some time ago I started a project that arose from the desire for a clear list of Slovenian peaks over 2000 meters and simple recording of conquered peaks. Until recently the project was abandoned, but then I somehow brought it step by step to the point where it is now. At first I intended to use it only for myself, then I decided to publish it as a website. Maybe it will be useful to someone else:
https://www.dvatisocaki.si
The website currently works without user registration and without a central database. Marking of conquered peaks is stored locally in your browser. If you delete browser data or change devices, the history of conquered peaks may be lost.
The data on the site is collected from publicly available sources, including portals Hribi.net, OpenStreetMap, Google and Wikipedia. The list of peaks is based on the list of Slovenian two-thousanders published on Wikipedia.
It should be emphasized that there is no single official definition of a two-thousander. The classification of an individual peak may depend on various criteria, such as the independence of the peak, prominence and the like. Different sources also provide different data on heights, names or locations of peaks. For some less visited peaks very little information is available.
Although the site contains links to maps, GPS points and additional information, do not use the data as the sole source for tour planning. Among Slovenian two-thousanders there are quite a few peaks with unmarked, very demanding or alpine approaches. Before visiting an individual peak, always find out additionally about the difficulty of the tour, current conditions and necessary equipment.
As this is an amateur project, errors in data entry, missing information or incorrect links are possible. If you notice an error or have a suggestion for improvement, I will be happy to inform anyone. As this is a hobby project, changes are not expected overnight.
The website is also adapted for use on mobile phones, but due to the amount of data and the clarity of the maps, the user experience is currently still better on a computer.
The project will possibly continue to develop. If there is enough interest, user registration and synchronization of conquered peaks between different devices can also be added in the future.
Good luck and a safe step in the mountains!
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