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Slovenian two-thousanders

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lijaneja3. 07. 2026 17:43:25
True. According to my records Kanin is an eight-headed dragon. Vršič has exactly that many. I hope I live to see the cable car so I can do them....mežikanje
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Hammond3. 07. 2026 21:13:03
Everything there is head-shaped and peaked. velik nasmeh
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Trobec3. 07. 2026 22:46:15
Eh Tone...well it's a nice walk from the valley...just to stretch the legs zadrega
Well yeah...maybe I've had enough of Kanin for this year...velik nasmeh
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Loerst3. 07. 2026 23:12:45
Ah, I only just noticed this topic that is very dear to me. smile

Praise to DVas for the website and the effort put in! As you yourself mentioned, there is a problem because there is no definition of what a peak is. If you tell me that, I will tell you how many peaks there are.

Above all, the definition should be unambiguous, that is, completely clear, verifiable and not arbitrary. By far the most commonly used criterion is prominence (height above the saddle). Which value is the right one is a matter of agreement (or personal judgment), but if we take as a criterion a prominence of at least 30 m (probably the minimum) we have 301 two-thousanders in Slovenia (28 in the Karavanks, 37 in KSA, 236 in the Julian Alps). Of course, you can also set a different criterion.

I would also kindly warn you about the input data regarding height. I believe you started from what is publicly available, but there are many errors on public maps (especially on OpenTopo) and they are often quite significant. Sometimes it's simply a measurement error (e.g. Veliki Oltar, which is listed everywhere as 2621 m, but is actually 2628.45 m), sometimes the highest point was not measured, often there are also points that by no criterion are peaks or are not two-thousanders (typically Toplar with 1998.85 m). Some also do not have a peak in Slovenia (e.g. Velika glava on Peca), or the peak is only a meter outside the border (e.g. Ostrv 2103 m, next to Košutnikov turn or Grad 2016 (and not 2008, as on the maps, next to Vrtača) - I counted them anyway).

There are of course also two-thousanders that exist in nature but are not on maps and consequently not on lists - e.g. Point 2040 with prominence 35 m, south of Kalški greben.

If you want completely accurate data, you will have to use Lidar data. These are publicly available through the GURS portal, but you will need some GIS program and a bit of knowledge to use it. Lidar has a standard error of +- 15 cm and is the best we have at the moment (or that even exists).

And no, I don't have a list made. For years I've been saying that I'll do it one day, but I don't get around to it. But so that it doesn't remain just words, below is a graphical representation of the mentioned 301 points (criterion - above 2000 m, above 30 m prominence, in Slovenia + a few m tolerance ).
Slovenian two-thousanders with prominence 30 m - Julian Alps1
Slovenian two-thousanders with prominence 30 m - KSA2
Slovenian two-thousanders with prominence 30 m - Karawanks (missing Kordeževa glava and Končnikov vrh on Peca)3
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Trobec3. 07. 2026 23:14:07
An acquaintance explained to me that his acquaintance (I know, it sounds like "Chinese whispers"big grin) played a bit with LIDAR images and programming and wrote a script that pulls out all points above 2000m from lidar with the desired relative height of the peak.
In principle, the criterion used in these lists is a relative peak height of 30m, but in reality this is not quite true in any list known to me. And when the criteria are lowered, the number of such points increases significantly. I don't remember the exact number now, but I think at 10m there are already around 4000. Of course, a "manual" adjustment would then be needed, because in quite a few cases it's for example a large boulder, sometimes also a mountain hut. But more for a sense of how much "reserve" is still in the lists big grin
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Loerst3. 07. 2026 23:31:37
@Trobec according to lidar there are 896 points on the relief with prominence +10 m and above 2000 m above sea level.

If elevation is not a criterion, there are 27587 - that is actually the number of all bumps across Slovenia.

High time I went to sleep. smile
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Trobec4. 07. 2026 07:50:59
I said that I didn't remember the numbers exactly velik nasmeh

Thanks for the info nasmeh
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DVas29. 07. 2026 10:49:06
So to start this debate a bit. Recently I came across the news that LiDAR data for the entire Slovenia are available in the 3D data viewer.

https://www.gov.si/novice/2026-06-03-lidarski-podatki-za-celotno-slovenijo-dostopni-v-pregledovalniku-3d-podatkov/

I sent a disk to GURS where they loaded DMR (digital relief model) for the whole Slovenia, about 90 GB of data. Then I loaded the data into QGIS with the aim of determining precise heights of two-thousanders which I presented on the website (352). I started from the coordinates of the peaks listed here on hribi.net. This turned out to be incorrect coordinates in quite a few cases.

Then I played around in QGIS.

1. First I determined the heights for all these two-thousanders that I have listed on the website. As said - the basis for the height were the coordinates I arrived at with the data on hribi.net. Immediately I noticed quite a few deviations from the actual height that most people know. I thought OK, probably the coordinates are not OK.

2. The second thing I did is that I determined the highest point within a radius of 20m from the coordinate. Here the picture regarding the heights themselves was much more realistic.

3. I also determined the highest point within a radius of 50m from the coordinate. For cases where the actual peak differs from the given coordinate by more than 20m.

4. Then I also loaded peak data from OpenStreetMap into QGIS and told the program that if the peak coordinate from hribi.net is not on the peak itself, it should search OSM data - and locate the peak coordinates within a radius of 150m from the given original coordinate. Then I determined the height for these new points as well.

5. To these new points I added the highest point within a radius of 20m.

6. To these new points I added the highest point within a radius of 50m.

Now I have to go through all this data and compare heights, coordinates, deviations etc.

I think for the website the best variant would be to take the exact coordinate of the peak itself as determined in OSM, then find the highest point within a radius of 20m. And use these points as the authoritative height of the peak and authoritative coordinate of the peak.

What do the others think? Is this the right approach? This is quite time-consuming work though. But once some rules are set it's much easier, otherwise I'm kind of fumbling around here.

Opinions more than welcome. Especially from those who know the topic better than me.
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lynx30. 07. 2026 21:45:48
In OSM the coordinate is not necessarily accurate, because only some peaks and elevations were imported. Depending on the age of the data, the coordinates (and heights) may still be from before the DGPS era and therefore may deviate more than one would otherwise expect from today's devices.
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DVas31. 07. 2026 18:26:02
Now I have also tried to compile a list of two-thousanders with a minimum prominence of 30m. It was quite challenging and I'm not sure if I did it right but I got a list of 284 peaks. Based on this laser scanning.
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cenc1. 08. 2026 14:37:49
In my opinion there are still more than 284 of them.
But it all depends on the criterion you choose. There is no official one, at least as far as I know.
For me the name and the "official" height on maps, guides and the Nomenclature of the Julian Alps were important.

Once you've already done most of them, you see that many a "peak", even if it has an official name and height, doesn't deserve a place on the list. On the other hand, another one is wronged because it has no name and height.
A good 300 definitely deserve to be on the list. Of course, if you also use the criterion that to reach a named peak you had to make a real effort (e.g. Oltarček, Vrh Rokavskega grebena, Široka peč, Rdeči kup, Mali Prisank...) and you don't insist on prominence...
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lijaneja1. 08. 2026 21:30:04
Nice, you told "them", Vinko!nasmeh Those who justify themselves with prominence are looking for an excuse in it and some kind of satisfaction. Your third sentence is gold. Whoever is only looking for 'their' two-thousanders is also right, although I doubt that he won't feel - somewhere deep down - at least a hint of bitterness.velik nasmeh
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DVas3. 08. 2026 08:19:49
No, at least as far as I'm concerned, there was no intention of arguing or covering up here. I'm doing this out of curiosity and because I find it interesting. Otherwise, when I'm in the mountains, I also step on every peak that's on the map, if it's accessible to me. But I'm also aware that I will never stand on all two-thousanders, despite the desire. But it's also true what Vinko said, there is no official definition of a two-thousander and everyone can interpret them in their own way.
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trilko4. 08. 2026 12:32:48
Hi,

I don't know anything about this, but just yesterday a link to the CLSS portal (http://clss.si) flew onto my screen, where you can download the following products and formats for the whole of Slovenia:
• GKOT: georeferenced and classified point cloud (format: .laz)
• DMR: digital relief model (format: .laz)
• DMP: digital surface model (format: .laz)
• nDMP: normalized digital surface model (format: .tif)
• PAS: analytical shading images (format: .tif)
• POF: complete orthophoto (format: .tif, RGB version)
• POFI: infrared complete orthophoto (format: .tif, BIR version)

If any of this is useful for your project... wink

I'm sticking only to editing OSM smile
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DVas4. 08. 2026 14:15:30
I was just writing about that above nasmeh
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cenc4. 08. 2026 16:33:33
Tone and "DVas", there is no need for any bitterness when talking about hills.Everyone has their own wishes and opinions, which is completely understandable to me.

But based on experience, I am of the opinion that it is easiest to compile the "right" list when you have most of the peaks already in your "legs".
Then it is also easiest to judge which one belongs on the list and which one does not. And again this is a subjective assessment.
At least for me prominence is not the most suitable criterion, because according to it many well-known peaks can fall out of the list.
For example, on one of the first lists of two-thousanders (254) there was no Široka peč!

Dvas, do you have it on your list of 284 two-thousanders? And Oltarček, Mali Prisank,Veliki kup, Rdeči kup...

Enjoy the hills and return home safely.
Vinko
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DVas6. 08. 2026 07:32:55
Of the listed ones, only Mali Prisank.
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turbo7. 08. 2026 12:05:08
Monte Tamau eek is also two-thousander velik nasmeh
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dprapr7. 08. 2026 12:10:37
To get up there, you have to grow some balls.nasmeh
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turbo7. 08. 2026 12:19:15
No need. As for other alpine ascents, experience and appropriate fitness are sufficient.
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