Yeah, are you normal?! From one post that was primarily meant for "fools" who go into the hills in snow conditions with chains, without an ice axe, in short without proper gear, a "he said - she said" debate developed... Dear trail follower, as I already wrote you on ZS, I certainly didn't and have no intention of mentioning anyone or pointing a finger at them, saying: those were the two! I didn't utter a word about name, place, etc... You dug this up yourselves by not swallowing certain of my remarks (Borut withdrew from the debate long ago, it seems too little to him, as you know why...). That's enough about Juš this, Juš that, Juš the other, swallow the chocolate, he froze... You two have no idea what it means to shiver from cold (if you're still shivering, it's okay...), to get frostbite and not feel your fingers for a month... Already on the way (descent) I didn't advise you, but we talked about proper gear and its use... I won't dig further, as that's oil already used up before it was discovered... I highly appreciate and respect the opinion of my climbing partner Matej, as he's not the type to deal with anything on the forum, but this time you really stepped on his tail. Same for Borut, who shone your non plus ultra flashlight for you, which by the way really needs a black guy in the package to power it. And about Juš, who was breaking his knees looking for the best passages in the steep forest so we safely reached the car. On the way, chatting about kegs of beer and if you step on the rope, it's immediately piss... That was just to boost morale and to forget the situation, which wasn't exactly rosy. First and foremost, we're people and we help each other, but if someone reminds what's wrong, that something isn't appropriate, given 35+ years of experience, it somehow doesn't sit right with me. It doesn't sit right with us, as I'm writing on behalf of all. It wasn't a person who got you down, but a team of friends who, oh look, just that day after shift climbed "kramarca". What if there were no kramarca? Now you can write gossip on the forum and talk "your" side of the story etc..., etc... What if you had stayed up there? No phone, no descent possibility, no light... I emphasize once more! The post was at most meant for youngsters and those convinced the path is dry; it was a warning, not pinning medals for bravery or egomania, as you say. If someone nudges me, you can be sure I won't stay quiet, especially if I have friends behind me who can confirm many things, including what wasn't talked about here... I too have experienced a cold shower multiple times, but I hung my "ears", instead of twisting and turning my side of the story, which turned out to be my mistake, period! Regarding our equipment: believe me, we were prepared for the worst; no food in the form of sausage, but there were high-energy bars, drinks weren't lacking either; in the worst case, we would break through to the bivouac and bivouac there (you know the bivouac under Storžič...). There were enough clothes too (tell me how I shouldn't freeze if we were moving 10m per minute?). The rest I already thought through myself, like Matej and Borut; suddenly beer doesn't suit us anymore, for Jalovec I recommend hiring a GV!
And one more thing: if you had listened to the advice and descended via the fifth gully (you remember your reaction...), you would have been at the car in one to one and a half hours...
Otherwise, we accompanied you to the car only because beer means that much to us... Please...
Alpin: kramarca is ideal for the afternoon after shift, the whole gully is in shade, temperatures were suitable too, and when you reach the snowfield, the sun greets you... Loh, try it once.
Juš