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Which flower is this?

velkavrh31. 08. 2014 11:48:21

Well, now I've pushed through to the end. Actually, only the low bellflowers give me problems and I don't know what that white flower similar to oxeye daisy is.

41-Mountain catchfly-Silene alpestris (also called alpine campion).

42, 71-Clusius' cinquefoil-Potentilla clusiana.

43,44-I think it's faded alpine avens-Dryas octopetala.

46,47,49,50,51,56-definitely Androsaces or houseleeks-I can't distinguish.

52,53-Germander speedwell-Veronica chamaedrys.

54,55,57,136,140,141-Taurian monkshood-Aconitum tauricum subsp. tauricum or turnip-rooted monkshood-Aconitum napellus. Only botanists distinguish exactly by examining the flower precisely. The branching of the inflorescence and altitude of find can mislead us. Both monkshood species grow in KSA.

58,59-Large-flowered selfheal-Prunella grandiflora.

60-62-Median clover-Trifolium medium.

39,40, 63, 66, 67-Definitely bellflowers.

68-70-I know it -currently can't remember the name.

72, 125-Blue-green saxifrage-Saxifraga caesia.

73, 119-121-Hairy alpine rose-Rhododendron hirsutum.

74-Kidney vetch-Anthyllis vulneraria.

75,77,78,79, 107-111,103-Probably harebell-Campanula rotundifolia.

76-Austrian sandwort-Minuartia austriaca.

80-84-Yellow mountain saxifrage-Saxifraga aizoides.

89-96-Froelich's gentian-Gentiana froelichii.

97-100,118-I think it's thyme-Thymus.

112-115-Crusty saxifrage-Saxifraga crustata.

116-Two-flowered violet-Viola biflora.

117-Spring gentian-Gentiana verna.

122-123-Cushion campion-Silene acaulis.

124,130-132-Sunrose or rockrose-Helianthemum.

127,128-Zois' bellflower-Campanula zoisii.

129-Sternberg's pink-Dianthus sternbergii.

137-Pale clover-Trifolium pallescens.

So, I spent quite some time reviewing all the pictures. I have all these mountain ones in my albums separated by color and growth height, so I can find them easier. In my albums I also have many mountain flowers that don't grow here, but only for my recognition. All flowers I post I take exclusively myself. This summer unfortunately fell through for me.

Apolonija31. 08. 2014 12:46:07

Brane, gladly continue, I won't interfere. Just a question: What do you think if it's not horse mane, but glabrous adenostyles? I'm rooting for adenostyles nasmeh

velkavrh31. 08. 2014 13:45:23

Yes, it's glabrous adenostyles, I looked too quickly. I've already corrected it. It's not necessary that my determinations are correct, so please check if I have it right. After lunch I walked our golden retriever and found this by the Kokra river. Sometimes I'm really surprised what I find by our river.

Narrow-leaved willowherb - Chamaenerion, also Epilobium angustifolium.

Beautiful rampion garlic - Allium carinatum subsp. pulchellum.

Apolonija31. 08. 2014 19:00:01

Hi! When I'm back at the computer, I see that otiv has already written all the names. That's no small feat, because there are many plants. Of course Brane helped him a lot, but Otiv is already a good expert. He named the live-bearing dresen right away, as well as the pot-bellied bellflowers. Those have roundish leaves too. The oxeye daisy is tricky. I'm looking at the basal and stem leaves, as much as visible in the pictures. Not alpine, not Kamnik one. Similar leaves has black oxeye daisy (Leucanthemum atratum subsp. atratum) (and common).

PS: Brane, you find flowers everywhere, bravo.

zlatica1. 09. 2014 20:23:23

Given that there were at least two nice days towards the end of the week, I've collected some more flowers in my archive that I'd like to share with you, since we won't be able to admire them much longer after hiking in the hills. And to start, flowers from the path to Vodnik hut via Srenjsko sedlo and below both Draški peaks to Studorski preval and to Vodnik hut to wait for the steel triathletes, back via the classic path to Rudno polje.
nasmeh

..and even alpine bellflower (end of August!!)

zlatica1. 09. 2014 20:45:17

Now also flowers from Friday's path to Vrtača... cool

If I haven't determined something correctly, please correct me, experts!
greetings

Apolonija1. 09. 2014 23:45:27

Zlatica, thanks for the nice pictures!

What kind of horsetail did you photograph? I don't know such, looks like grass?
it's large-flowered viper's bugloss
feathered knapweed

mountain yarrow
In Karavanke grows Kerner's poppy.
dwarf rowan
German catchfly
it's seed of asparagus
golden cinquefoil,
pinkish red cranesbill
Bavarian masterwort
broad-leaved monkshood
the masterwort reminds me of common masterwort

Best regards nasmeh

zlatica2. 09. 2014 07:39:15

Apolonija, thanks for the addition. Horsetail-? Yes, I know it looks like grass, sorry that in a hurry I didn't photograph the thing up close, because from afar it gives more the look of grass or a rice field. But, when I looked close up, it has shoots on the sides of the stem already and it's thicker, brittle stem. If I remember correctly from past years, I saw horsetail in the fall right in that part, which one I don't know, this year there was still snow mid-August in that part of the valley under Viševnik, so there's really a lot of delay in the response and growth of plants too. Can't say more right now. Now I've become curious and maybe soon I'll drive up again and go see what came of that "grass".
One more thing, Apolonija: what about under 15-grint? That still bugs me... Glad it's rowanberry, I guessed, but it was so low to the ground that I didn't believe a young rowan could make such a fruit. regards zmeden

velkavrh2. 09. 2014 07:48:05

zlatica, beautiful shots! Under no. 15 is Divjakovski grint-Senecio doronicum-at least I think. On the way to Vodnik hut I always see it. Grints have flowers like that on top of the stem and somehow inflorescence on the stemlets. It really looks similar in flower to Austrian divjakovec but the stems with flowers grow differently-branched stems, and leaves are different too. Under no. 13 you have bicolor gentian, that's the new name for the red one, and we also have a very similar moisture-loving one, which I can't distinguish from the bicolor. I found Widder's one just last year under Vodnik hut, which is similar to Kamnik one. Very interesting is also Janez's gentian-Nigritella archiducis-joannis, which Peter Strgar presented in his alpine flower albums. It's extremely light pink-violet and similar in flower to bicolor.

Apolonija2. 09. 2014 08:16:28

Brane, most likely it's really Divjakovski grint-Senecio doronicum, this one in the pic is smooth without gray hairs.

Zlatica, I agree, horsetail can look like that from afar too, if the joints and spikes aren't visible.

zlatica2. 09. 2014 08:46:02

velkavrh and Apolonija, thanks for the explanation about the grint. The gentian really seemed a bit different to me, I almost wrote Kamniška, then I reconsidered. Well, that the red gentian is now called bicolor, that's also something new. I didn't know about the moisture-loving one. The place where this gentian is photographed is just a few meters from that horsetail meadow..., where the ground is marshy and wet.... Maybe, Brane, it really is the moisture-loving one given the terrain?! Well, now I'm exaggerating, right? velik nasmeh

Apolonija2. 09. 2014 10:14:21

Zlatica, look and judge if it's bicolor or moisture-loving.

http://petersfoto.s5.net/thumbnails.php?album=8&page=33

zlatica2. 09. 2014 11:19:37

Uf, that will be tough,... I need to take some time for that.... I'll let you know when I have a thought. Just Widder's probably isn't moisture-loving?

velkavrh2. 09. 2014 11:31:54

Widder's gentian is similar to the Kamnik one and grows only in the Julians. Kamnik one grows in KSA and Karavanks.

Widder's speedwell found last year on Velo polje pasture - below Vodnikov dom. Haven't seen it this year yet.

This Widder's speedwell was found on Veliki Špič three years ago.

These last three were found on 12.07.2014 on Mali Tičarica.

This and the next one along the path the same day from Dedno polje pasture to Ovčarija pasture.

velkavrh2. 09. 2014 11:57:55

To get back a bit to the grints. They belong to the groundsels. In my collection there are 20 species. Of course I have pictures or determinations of only a few - a couple. Not all grow here either. The most common is the forest one - Fuchs's one is very similar and I mix it with the forest one too; in high mountains we'll often meet the abrotanifoliate one; in mid-mountains the rocky one; more rarely Divjakovski and tubular-flowered. Here my knowledge of grints ends.

velkavrh2. 09. 2014 12:55:26

zlatica, one more thing! In the first set of pics at no. 3 is pot-bellied gentian. Snow gentian doesn't have inflated calyx, but yours does. The snow gentian has elongated calyx, has main stem that then branches and on those shoots there are flowers too. Other low gentians-Bavarian, round-leaved, short-leaved, spring, low, small and Trieste have only one flower per stem.

Apolonija2. 09. 2014 13:19:52

No mistake! Red Nigritella (Nigritella rubra) is no longer called bicolor Nigritella (N. bicolor). They just found out that the red one doesn't grow here, because it doesn't have all its properties, but confirmed it's actually bicolor.
Fuchs' gentian has reddish stem, forest doesn't, I distinguish by that and leaves. Brane, are you sure yours is forest?

Brane, you see "belly", I see only shadow and narrow calyx tube on this gentian. Can't distinguish. Zlatica, do you remember if it was like this:

http://www.google.si/search?q=trebu%C5%A1asti+svi%C5%A1%C4%8D&nord=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=oKcFVPuwN8WaO4XNgZAN&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=909

velkavrh2. 09. 2014 13:22:41

Last year I researched gentianellas-Gentianella. They are divided into eight species: cup-shaped-several subspecies, Austrian-several subspecies, hairy, rough, Liburnian-grows on Snežnik in our area,German-several subspecies,tender, early-several subspecies and the only blue-coloured-real one. I accurately identified only the real one, because it cannot be confused. For the others the identification is difficult, at least that's what they assured me, so I always label photos as cup-shaped gentianella. This year it has already been found. It belongs among early autumn mountain flowers or late summer as you like.

Apolonija2. 09. 2014 13:39:28

Gentianellas are really hard to separate, as Brane says. Austrian has rounded notches between calyx lobes and flowers are all at about the same height. German and cup-shaped have the same notches-more acute. Cup-shaped has hairs on calyx lobes, German does not. Considering these features I wrote that on the picture it's German. But it can be subjective view and assessment. It's different if you have the flower in hands.

otiv2. 09. 2014 14:50:19

Brane likes to talk about flowers,
also about those at home on the plains,
rare is the little flower he wouldn't know,
all knowledge about them he'd like to share.

Often he heads to the mountain world,
aiming to spot the desired bloom,
but damn, the flower hid from him,
our Brane sweated the trail for nothing.

But he thinks more luck next time,
I'll find the early spring flower yet.
He comes home with memories of blossoms,
with them adorns his life's flowerbeds. nasmeh