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| kati190920. 07. 2018 20:42:01 |
Thanks to both; interesting and instructive to read your descriptions.
Zlatica; Fleischmann's hawkweed I found on this forum "at you" i.e. from 27/6 picture no.25. My picture unfortunately has no leaves (layman's mistake). Nice regards!
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| velkavrh22. 07. 2018 12:07:00 |
Now is the time of abundant flowering of our bellflowers. In Slovenia many species grow. A few we meet in our forests and meadows. On valley meadows, where not too much fertilized, we still find spreading bellflower, and Bolognese. In forest nettle-leaved bellflower, along live hedges ponytail-leaved. In higher forest bellflower with largest flowers - broad-leaved bellflower and also peach-leaved. In valleys on dry slopes, also higher, keeled and short-haired bellflower. A few bellflowers only on coast - Justin's, Marchesi, pyramidal and ponytail. Special are our only white bellflowers - shaggy and similar, but twice higher its subspecies - Carniolan bellflower. Extremely rare round-leaved bellflower - recognize by round basal leaves - grows around Predmeja, Mali Golak. Now come true mountain bellflowers found on mountain pastures - rare is spiked, common Scheuchzer and Beck - very long flower, Witasek - lots of flowers on stems, here also bearded bellflower. From rocks often above mountain paths Carniolan or woolly-leaved bellflower - likes shade. High in mountains on dry pastures sterile bellflower - has shortest stamens. In drier conditions, half scree find rush bellflower. In rock crevices and screes pot-bellied bellflower common. Highest in mountains, rocks in extreme conditions thrives our unique Zois bellflower.
Witasek bellflower I see often on Planina Osredek above Vasja Ambrož under Krvavec - picture hid from me, similarly broad-leaved, which I saw last on border path when going from Zelenice. No round-leaved, nor coastal ones.
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| kati190922. 07. 2018 12:44:26 |
Brane; thanks for the wonderful presentation of "bellflowers". To me they are even dearer because of the blue color.
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| otiv22. 07. 2018 13:54:32 |
Branko, you really made an effort. Thanks.  They always cause me trouble...because there are too many. 
Which one is in the pictures below. 
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| Zvonček22. 07. 2018 16:35:41 |
To Branko's wonderful selection of bellflowers I add a picture of broad-leaved bellflower, to Darinka4 and Kati1909 a friendly remark: bellflowers, not bellflowresses. Regards
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| Apolonija22. 07. 2018 16:50:07 |
Vito, I'll leave mountain ones to others, this Ljubljana one is wild hedgehog thistle
5,6 you can look in your alpine flowers, you know it- chestnut clover, blackish yarrow too
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| otiv22. 07. 2018 17:45:08 |
Apolonija, thanks for the names.
This clover isn't common though, I saw it for the first time at the Triglav Lakes,
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| velkavrh22. 07. 2018 18:12:17 |
Otiv, from No. 1 to No.3 is deformed bellflower -we recognize it by small pistils, which is also visible on my photo.
No.4-evergreen speedwell in fading.
No. 9-leaves are from Scheuchzer's bellflower, which is also exactly visible from my photo.
No.8-I don't know. Where did you photograph it?
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| zlatica22. 07. 2018 19:13:25 |
Branko, you prepared this nicely about bellflowers. I'm adding another bellflower, which I think is Witasek's bellflower. I found it on Kamniški vrh, where it definitely occurs. They were at three locations, namely in August, when they usually bloom. What do you think, is it the right one?
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| velkavrh23. 07. 2018 02:02:07 |
This Scheuchzer's bellflower really confuses us all one after another. It seems that we mix it up with the deformed bellflower, because they have similar habitats and flowers. Both grow higher in the mountains, but we already find them on Kamniški vrh and on Planina Jezerce below Krvavec. I need to find a detailed description of the deformed bellflower, which I don't have at the moment. I know the deformed bellflower has short stamens, but I don't know exactly what kind of leaves it has. At the beginning of the path to Zelenica - in the middle - below the Vrtača hut - when the slope already steepens there is plenty of some low bellflower. But I never photographed it precisely and determined which one it is.
For Scheuchzer's bellflower I have the following description:
Grows higher in the mountains. Individual flowers grow on longer pedicels. Usually only one flower per pedicel. Flower buds are nodding (hanging down). The impression of the flower itself is that the flower is quite too big for such a delicate small plant. Leaves grow along the entire stem - they are linear, sessile (narrow, pointed and not serrated - at the base they are awned). Flowering leaves are linear and much shorter than the flower.
On Tuesday I'm going botanizing Črna prst with the handbook from the Strgars and some others and I'll really examine the bellflowers in detail and photograph them.
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| Apolonija23. 07. 2018 07:41:59 |
Brane, I don't know if you understood me. My remark was aimed at the leaves on Vito's photo 9, where you say they are from Scheuchzer's bellflower. But I'm convinced they are from the potbellied one.
Looking forward to your Črna prst
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| velkavrh23. 07. 2018 16:38:07 |
I know of at least one site of alpine sowbread - not on Črna prst, but I think it's a bit too early for flowering. From Igor Draksler and Polona Strgar I have well studied this nice little welcome handbook. Unfortunately I miss the info when which flower blooms. I don't know the individual areas of Črna prst so info that something blooms on Štuke above Stržišče means nothing to me, say that something grows along the path from Pastirski plaz towards Žalostnica.
I'd like to photograph well the Julian gentian - it's an endemic of southern Julian Alps; accurately photograph Austrian cyclamen - usually marked with a sign; Pyrenean violet; accurately photograph prealpine catchfly - grows together with silver alpine catchfly right below the top of Črna prst; bratinski yellow gentian already blooming, maybe vardjan's yellow gentian also already blooming, which blooms a bit later; Scopolia carnosa; Hacquet's primrose - I'm afraid I'm too late for it; Mayer's primrose (hybrid of capitated and Julian primrose); serrate arnica; Hoppe's and low cat's paws; two-colored sticky catchfly; Julian hawkweed - southeastern alpine endemic; bristly adder's tongue; mountain burnet saxifrage; Kerner's burnet saxifrage; Veronica-leaved burnet saxifrage; hare-ear whitlowgrass; late sticky primrose; green dog's tongue; single-leaved beak sedge; stemless toothwort;
Yes, quite a few of these listed flowers I have never found on Črna prst.
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| zlatica23. 07. 2018 16:59:21 |
Yes, Branko, you've loaded quite a bit of work on yourself. I hope you'll find as many of these little flowers as possible; but that booklet covers such a wide area of Črna prst that one would need 3 days to walk and check everything towards Črna gora on one side, and towards Raskorec, Konjski vrh on the other side, and on the J side above Baška dolina,...uf!
Since you have a lot of stamina, I believe you'll succeed in quite a few. And a steady hand when you photograph, I wish you. lp
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| otiv23. 07. 2018 17:13:39 |
Cheers, Brane!
It will really be early for the sowbread... I checked my photos from Porezen and the date is 23 August.
I wish you as many fulfilled floral wishes as possible and take care.
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| peter224. 07. 2018 07:52:33 |
@ velkavrh
Yes, the best would be to add GPS coordinates too, when the flower starts to bloom a red light would turn on next to it and a sound signal would go off ... I'm kidding!
The purpose of the guidebook on the flowers of Črna prst surely isn't to give such precise locations. There are plenty of local names like in every place, so a map with names of these locations is added on the back of the guidebook. Some are quite extensive and especially on the Primorska side it's hard to precisely write where what grows.
When something grows is also hard to write, because it all depends on the snow reserves. In some places, in the deepest hollows it only melted a few days ago and conditions there are completely spring-like. Can't predict if nadbradec will bloom in August like usual until now, or already at the start of July like in recent years.
Even just one day for botanizing Črna prst isn't enough. Need to come several times during flowering time.
I visited the mountain for 13 years to gather enough photo material.
So Brane, onward courageously. You've surely found some blooming ones today. The rest (except what's already finished blooming) you'll surely find and you'll be even happier about the finds even without micro-locations.
Anyway, in the reply to your last email I asked what you wanted to find, but you didn't reply.
One more: The author of the text in the book isn't Igor Draksler, but Igor Dakskobler.
Regards
Peter Strgar
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| Zvonček24. 07. 2018 15:16:17 |
Today over Goljek to Polhograjska Grmada, where Hladnikov grintavec grows.
What is in picture3?
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