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| Apolonija9. 08. 2018 13:22:21 |
That's right, but I wanted to tell you that on 14 there is no handsome-leaved hawkweed.
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| velkavrh10. 08. 2018 04:15:18 |
zlatica, you know the flowers around home very well too. I'm checking them a little less this year.
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| zlatica10. 08. 2018 10:50:21 |
It's understandable, Brane, that you don't have time for flowers around home, since you have such a successful mountaineering year that it doesn't come up. I wouldn't refuse it either if I could. So I'm satisfied with the small things and naturally devote more time to knowing the surrounding nature, while you "bring" me flowers from mountain tops on the net for me to admire. Many beautiful paths ahead! 
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| Zvonček10. 08. 2018 17:54:54 |
Apolonija, I went to check pictures 14 and 15. And indeed I wasn't paying attention. On 14 there is of course no handsome-leaved hawkweed, on 15 there is. Thanks for the notice.
Zlatica, all your photos are beautiful, especially the cuckoopint flower. Lp
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| otiv14. 08. 2018 06:52:48 |
On Porezen I enjoyed the company of alpine pasqueflower.
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| zlatica14. 08. 2018 10:35:41 |
Otiv, I was already wondering what beauties you would treat us to next, and look, you didn't disappoint me. You were in royal company of our alpine beauties and you couldn't find better company.
Branko, I'm interested in your narrow-leaved knapweed. What feature was it that you used to distinguish this knapweed from the common one? Was it the stem with long, almost rush-like side shoots and basal lanceolate leaves; involucrum egg-round or egg-cylindrical, as MFS says? I too have tried to identify this knapweed at times, but I wasn't sure which essential distinguishing feature to rely on. 
Otiv, you could have seen it too, since according to data it's located right below the summit of Porezen.
https://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?stat=BROWSE&where-genre=Plant&where-taxon=Centaurea+pannonica&title_tag=Centaurea+pannonica
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| otiv14. 08. 2018 11:24:04 |
Did you mean this "knapweed"
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| velkavrh14. 08. 2018 21:12:42 |
I do know well the identifying features of narrow-leaved knapweed, but from my photos I can't prove that I really photographed the narrow-leaved one. I'd really need to photograph the flower precisely - the shapes of the appendages on the involucral bracts decide it. It's true that common and Gaudin's knapweed also have similar appendages. These appendages are lacerate, but not feathery and don't spread over the involucral bracts. To recognize these features you need a really good macro shot of the flower itself - or rather the appendages. For narrow-leaved, you need to photograph the whole plant - I don't have such a shot. The plant is up to 1 meter tall, branched already in the lower half, leaves are lanceolate, elongated and up to eight times longer than wide. So for all these pink or pale purple knapweeds, we'll need many good shots for exact determination.
Somehow from my photos I figured that with my photos it'll be hard to identify these say pink-purple colored knapweeds. Currently I don't even have such a good device for macro photography of capitula, which are decisive for identifying these knapweeds. Even for alpine and Triumfett's, those hairs confuse - whether they are white or black. Blue or common knapweed is almost gone in nature anyway. Mainly you see it cultivated in gardens. I haven't seen yellow-colored ones in nature at all - only bicolored and rock one. Only the feathered one has such characteristic feathery appendages that confusion is impossible. The deceptive one we could surely recognize with a precise capitulum shot, because it has such different appendages on the capitulum - I don't have precise photos. Fritsch's is also so different that we can't mix it with others. Gaudin's we'll find only on the coast. Summer knapweed hasn't been confirmed in recent years. Single-headed doesn't grow here at all - we find it in Italy and France. Likewise, with precise capitulum shots we could identify the wigged one. The other pink-purple ones are a bit harder to identify - those are Kranj, narrow-leaved, meadow, common, Haynald's, soft and according to my lists also prealpine - Centaurea scabiosa ssp. alpestris.
Next summer season I'll surely tackle them precisely, assuming I get a better device for macro shots.
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| Tadej15. 08. 2018 07:23:33 |
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| otiv15. 08. 2018 10:09:15 |
With knapweeds it's similar as with bellflowers, the flowers are all too similar and you need to know many other identifying features for the name determination. I don't even bother with research, I don't have that knack
But I found on Porezen, bearded thistle (Carduus personata)
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| zlatica15. 08. 2018 15:54:56 |
Tadej, this scarlet red clover is also beautiful to me, I photograph it several times. Otiv, your thistle is still quite fresh, you found a good specimen.
Branko, regarding knapweeds maybe we didn't understand each other best. Since photos don't always tell everything, but the impression on site is very important, I wanted mainly to know if you recognized it already in the field or determined it at home and what convinced you that it's narrow-leaved knapweed or which features were most important for recognition. I assume those are the characteristics you mention in the first paragraph and thus decided already in the field that it's narrow-leaved knapweed. Knapweeds really aren't all species well recognizable for us amateurs, some better, others harder or not at all, but certainly knapweeds are among those flowers where different species interest me a lot, because such study brings me joy and enthusiasm. What do you mean that summer (C. solstitialis) hasn't been confirmed in recent years? Latest MFS still lists it? Do you have other data? Regarding Gaudin's k. also this info that it occurs also on Kamniškem vrhu and even on Šmarna gora. lp
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| plezac15. 08. 2018 16:47:37 |
Hi,
I would be glad if someone could help me identify these plants:
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| Zvonček15. 08. 2018 17:00:26 |
On the way to Kališče along the forest edge or road I saw this plant whose name I don't know.
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| Vid Naglič15. 08. 2018 18:50:52 |
Nice greetings, I would ask you for help in identifying plants that I picked last week along the path to Begunjščica. In advance I thank you nicely for the help and greet you
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| zlatica15. 08. 2018 19:57:04 |
climber, 1 gentian, 2 bare hepatica, 3 forget-me-not, 4 evergreen rock cress, 5 headed knapweed, 6 poppy - generally: if in Karavanke or KSA it's Kerner's, in Julians it's Rhaetian, 7 low-stemmed saxifrage, 8 marmot, 9 pot-bellied bellflower, 10 one of the gentians (German, Austrian..?)
Zvonček, first three are glandular touch-me-nots, foreign invasives, not very desirable flowers, because they spread extremely and unwantedly. The last one could be angelica, but for identification leaves would also need to be visible.
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| velkavrh15. 08. 2018 20:41:24 |
Vid as far as I see, your picked flowers from Begunjščica are almost herbariumized already and recognition is much harder. But let's try:
1.-some dandelion definitely -recognize by leaves-don't know which one-interesting seed pods
2.cannot determine
3.cup gentianella-there are several species-Gentianella (Latin name just for gentianella)-belongs to gentians
4.-viviparous bistort-Bistorta vivipara-belongs to bistorts
5.-looks like violet -could be twin-flowered violet-cannot confirm
6.wilted alpine dryad-Dryas octopetala-belongs to roses
7.mountain wormwood, also mountain yarrow or white yarrow-Achillea clavennae-belongs to Asteraceae.
Vid, nice regards!
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| velkavrh15. 08. 2018 21:01:59 |
Zlatica, I just said that I cannot confirm that I really photographed narrow-leaved cornflower. For summer cornflower it says that no one has found and identified it in recent years.
At Foto narava summer cornflower is shown-Centaurea solstitialis-it's yellow-has spiny flower-author-OKRIM-
Interesting is also Rhine cornflower-Centaurea rhenana -author-TAMA,dark crimson-Centaurea atropurpurea- author-ALENKA and spiny cornflower-Centaurea calcitrapa-similar to summer-spiny but pinkish color -author VIDKA.
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