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| Apolonija20. 08. 2018 21:28:08 |
Brane, no.1 is alpine ragwort (Senecio alpinus), the unknown at 23, you know it. It doesn't have red leaves yet, it's alpine bearberry -Arctostaphylos alpinus
The onion is like the one you have in the garden - chives (Allium schoenoprasum)
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| velkavrh21. 08. 2018 04:26:18 |
Well, we somehow managed through these unknowns. I had never seen alpine ragwort before. It's quite a tall strongly branched plant. In Hoppe it's shown with a poor photo, so I didn't recognize it. Alpine chives I always admire at Double Lake in the Triglav Lakes valley, where it colors the slope by the lake gently pink. This Dolomites one was much taller and flowers larger too.
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| zlatica21. 08. 2018 07:44:18 |
Brane, congrats for the found tufted rockjasmine. Really nice feeling when you find it in nature once, right? For the bellflower I'd say it's Kerner's, because it has the right colors, right leaves and hairy bracts... What do you think? lp
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| velkavrh21. 08. 2018 16:42:01 |
Menina Planina - it's clearly noticeable that we are actually in the last part of summer. Next year I must come in spring to see Koch's gentian here, which I actually can't yet distinguish from Clusius's.
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| otiv21. 08. 2018 21:48:15 |
Branko, where do you get the info that Koch's gentian grows on Menina.
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| velkavrh22. 08. 2018 04:30:25 |
Mistake, it says that Clusius's gentian grows.
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| Zvonček22. 08. 2018 21:07:01 |
Branko, I'm passing on a bit of my knowledge about Clusii's (Gentiana clusii) and Koch's gentian (Gentiana acaulis). Both species are very similar in appearance and we distinguish them mainly by Clusii's gentian growing only on limestone soils, on rocky grasslands from 400-2500 m, Koch's gentian on silicate rocks, on acidic grasslands, mostly above 1000m. The gentians also differ in that Clusii's gentian unlike Koch's does not have greenish spots inside the corolla. LP
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| otiv23. 08. 2018 14:06:45 |
Sometimes luck smiles on me too...scarlet onion from the path to Koren in KSA
As I read it is endemic to KSA.
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| zlatica23. 08. 2018 15:01:29 |
Bravo, Otiv, it really is endemic to our KSA, you've surely seen it already on the S slopes of Kamniški vrh, where it grows nicely. lp
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| Zvonček25. 08. 2018 16:00:16 |
In this rainy weather I reviewed this year's trips and found a flower I don't know and ask for help. I photographed it on Črni vrh above Čemšenika meadow (1200 m) early June. LP
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| Zvonček25. 08. 2018 17:07:51 |
I have another question about two bellflowers. Thanks for the answer! LP
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| Zvonček25. 08. 2018 17:13:16 |
I thought of Beck's with this photo.
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| velkavrh26. 08. 2018 07:31:00 |
Zvonček, on your first pic from 25.08. it's hairy bellflower. Characteristic for it is this slightly elongated flower which is a bit narrowed at the end and has those characteristic stripes on the flower.
Beck's bellflower is supposed to be rare and I've never exactly identified it. It's really similar in growth and flower to witasekii. Also no exact description on Zaplana.net. For bellflowers it's important we know how many flowers the plant has, what basal and stem leaves, how tall it is and where it actually grows. Some only on Karst etc. But these lower bellflowers except Zois's are very similar in flower and due to different growth conditions there can be big differences in plant height so mix-up always possible.
I have Hoppe's handbook too and think his pic for hairy bellflower is wrong - that's how it is with these lower bellflowers. It even writes grows on limestone in Eastern Alps (west to Brenner). I really must borrow those huge Flora Alpina handbooks from library again. Inflated we regularly mix with round-leaved - I haven't exactly ID'd round-leaved - supposed to be very rare. Scheuchzer's always baffles us. Flowers baffle us - usually plant has only one flower per peduncle. (Hoppe doesn't mention number of flowers on plant at all, Zaplana.net says usually one flower per peduncle - that's how you recognize). Writes Scheuchzer's found high in mountains. Actually true, find it often high in mountains in rock fissures. Can't mix it up due to characteristic lanceolate leaves. But which one in these mountain meadows where many (say right at start of ski slope down at Zelenica). Actually see only flowers in these meadows, not how many on stem nor leaves. Growth conditions decisive so plant height and strong or weak flower color (intensity from very light to dark blue varies a lot) and flower size varies too, so we think it's some other species.
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| otiv26. 08. 2018 08:26:31 |
Today we have time for talks... 
Branko, is it Scheuchzer's bellflower in the pic? Photographed on path towards
Koren.
I notice that inflated bellflowers don't all have same flower shape.
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| velkavrh26. 08. 2018 08:34:57 |
That's true, both yesterday's and today's tours fell through for me.
Your determination is correct.
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| otiv26. 08. 2018 08:44:53 |
And another bellflower for discussion.
Is it possible that a flower blooms one year and not the next. Here I mean edelweiss.
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| velkavrh26. 08. 2018 09:03:55 |
otiv, I think it will be pot-bellied even though there are no proper leaves around it at all.
For edelweiss I don't know what growth cycle it has. I don't know if it blooms the same year or not when a new plant sprouts from seed. Otherwise edelweiss is a perennial and lasts about a year. It should then bloom every year. Otherwise it reproduces by seeds. I've already bought edelweiss seeds from some foreign seed company, but nothing came. I've bought cultivated edelweiss many times. Last winter for example it died due to winter on the grave - this year I bought new again. For this winter - I think November - I'll protect it a bit. In nature I've never torn off or dug up edelweiss seedlings.
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| Apolonija26. 08. 2018 09:14:35 |
Good morning, rainy morning! Yes, bellflowers give us trouble, especially if only flowers peek from the grass.
Brane, from your picture it's really hard to tell if it's clustered or short-hairy (or maybe I just see the hairs poorly). I know, the camera. Did you mean nettle-leaved instead of nettle-hairy? But I don't know if it's really pyramidal on 11. It seems more like repens to me.
For Scheuchzer's bellflower I read that it usually has one flower, but can also have 3-5 flowers.
Oh, Zvončica, your nice yellow plants are Austrian leopard's-bane.
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