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Which flower is this?

madeira31. 07. 2020 20:11:53

Velkavrh, thanks for sharing your knowledge.

velkavrh1. 08. 2020 05:31:08

Zvončica, everything stated about feathery and shaggy knapweed is correct.

Mine from Veliki vrh is definitely feathery, because the inflorescences were single on the stem. Only that shaggy one from madeira bothers me, which is much more untidy - tousled. I try to photograph the whole plant when photographing the flower if I'm too doubtful about determination, but mainly there's too little time for that in a group of hikers.

Similarly, at least for me, there's always a dilemma in determining thistles (red-colored) and burdocks, and of course yellows. I never know exactly if it's jajčar, škržolica, dimek or something else. Also catchflies and cuckoeflowers I can't determine exactly, cat's ears and of course buttercups are also my problem. And those little flowers confuse me - never know exactly if it's črvinka, popkoresa or peščenka. Also certain flowers I've been trying to find and determine for some years - like southernwood goldenrod, pink lousewort, in Austria I searched in vain for tomato bellflower, Koch's svišč I somehow don't discover in nature, two-colored hairy hawkweed and many more of my searches were unsuccessful. This year it's time again for a solo flower hike. But I have to hurry or everything will overbloom.

zlatica1. 08. 2020 17:35:27

Plants from sv. Primož above Kamnik.... lp nasmeh

Witasek's bellflower - stem at least 0.5 m high

otiv1. 08. 2020 18:38:57

Are you sure, Zlatica, that on both photos 7 and 8 it's Witasek bellflower? The flowers seem very different in shape to me. zmeden

zvončica1. 08. 2020 22:10:13

Velkavrh, I have similar problems recognizing many little flowers you listed nasmeh

. Lp

Today from Križovec along the ridge over Krvavka to Golica. Lots of woolly-haired thistle.

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darinka42. 08. 2020 07:01:50

From yesterday. Along the path to Krnica from Kluž.

velkavrh2. 08. 2020 08:08:35

darinka4, no. 1. and 5. is tufted bellflower - the only white bellflower. Of course it's completely identical to Kranj bellflower, only Kranj one is up to a meter high. I haven't found it yet. On the path to Zelenica only tufted grows.

no.2-homulica

no. 3-bellflower

no. 4-willow-leaved primrose

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velkavrh2. 08. 2020 08:22:52

Zvončica, are you sure it's Crantzer's five-finger. I know that the golden and the mentioned one are very similar at first glance. Only a precise examination would reveal the difference. The orange spot can also be on Crantzer's, not only on the golden. The corolla lobes are shallowly notched at the top in both. In the golden one the corolla lobes partially overlap, and that can also mislead us. Leaves are palmately divided in both. There are more differences in the leaves that only experts would see.

velkavrh2. 08. 2020 08:39:08

otiv, no. 7 from zlatica is definitely witasekina, next to it could only be breskolistna. Both are so tall and have several flowers on the stem. Breskolistna likes shade and likes to hang from under rocks. Witasekina blooms latest and has more elongated flowers and loves sun.

zlatica2. 08. 2020 09:32:32

Vito, I'm sure it's Witasekina bellflower. I also have confirmation from experts.
Branko interestingly compared it to peach-leaved. They have some similarities, but to me in nature they are unmistakably different. The flowers of peach-leaved are large and widely open. The corolla tube is 3-4 cm long and bluish-violet in color, sometimes they remind me of faded ones, Witasekina has blue color (MFS also states that), but the corolla tube of flowers is only 1.2-1.5 cm long. Not to mention the difference in leaves between one and the other. That's why I photographed it where the leaves and size are clearly visible. Otherwise it usually lies more prostrate among tall grasses and it is this time too. When photographing I lifted it a bit to show the size together with the real lakota, which we know is tall. Anyway, I have known this type of bellflower for years from Kamniški vrh, where I first met it. Bellflowers are really delicate to identify and so, Vito, I fully understand your doubt. If I showed it to you live, you wouldn't forget it

otiv2. 08. 2020 11:00:51

Alenka, I see that flower shape plays no role in bellflowers, as it happens in all. At first I thought it was important, but I see it's not. Thanks for the extensive explanation. nasmeh

Regards

zvončica2. 08. 2020 11:51:49

Velkavrh, it will be Crantz's five-finger. Just by observing flowers we couldn't separate Crantz's from golden five-finger, as they have very similar flowers with heart-shaped petals and orange spot in the middle. The difference is in the leaves, which in golden are sharply serrated, Crantz's leaves are bluntly toothed (which is visible on my photo), glabrous or rarely hairy above, but more hairy below and on the edge.

And a well-meant remark - yes, sometimes we mistype or in haste write the flower name wrong unintentionally, but it's right to write the flower name correctly, e.g. peach-leaved bellflower, and willow-leaved primrose, Crantz's five-finger,.. nasmeh

And also about Kranj bellflower, which is a subspecies of tufted bellflower. If you go mid-July from Katarina to Polhograjska Grmada, you'll find at least one plant right at the last part of the path. Regards

zlatica2. 08. 2020 11:59:19

Vito, nice photo, bravo. Why do you think flower shape plays no role? In some cases it does. In rušnate, where the flower is narrowed towards the end (there were always many on screes along the path to Vrtača), peach-leaved also has a more widely open flower, in spreading bellflowers too, in Zois's it also has special flower shape, and what to list, you know. In many it is really as you say. I have long wished that one botanist would seriously process as many of our bellflowers as possible in one book, especially those that are not easily determinable, with all features from roots to flower, as they say. Regards velik nasmeh

zvončica2. 08. 2020 12:21:16

I join Zlatica's opinion. I too would like all bellflowers, at least those growing in Slovenia, to be covered in one book, with photos. Some we really can't miss or confuse - pyramidal, tufted, spreading, nettle-leaved, and Zois's, whose flower is something special, and some more; some are really hard to separate from each other, at least non-experts who quickly confuse them mežikanje

. Regards

velkavrh3. 08. 2020 07:40:23

I dedicated myself to bellflowers a couple of years ago. Mostly I recognize them. But I never found Beck's bellflower. I know Witasek's, also broad-leaved. And probably overlooked some. Somehow I can't separate round-leaved bellflower, which is supposed to be common too - we find it on Kamniški vrh too. I don't know Beck's and Marchesettiana. I haven't determined Justin's either. Bolognese is so similar to nettle-leaved that I probably mix them. Broad-leaved I also know.

Already this year I found alpine bellflower in Austria, which doesn't grow here. In Austria I saw Cenis bellflower a couple of years ago. In Romania last year I saw Carpathian bellflower, which we grow in gardens.

The monstrous bellflower is already harder to identify.

Repuščeva bellflower. We will find it on the Karst.

We also see the bearded bellflower more rarely.

We see the panicle bellflower just as rarely.

We also find the clustered bellflower in the lowlands.

There are also plenty of nettle-leaved bellflowers in the valleys.

We recognize the Carniolan or woolly one by its characteristic grass-like leaves.

The hare's-tail-leaved one even grows in our garden - it self-seeded.

The spreading bellflowers have almost disappeared from our valley meadows.

Now four bellflowers that are the most widespread in our mountains - hairy bellflower.

The most common also in the submontane zone is Scheuchzer's bellflower.

The most recognizable is of course Zois' bellflower, which really cannot be confused with any other.

A subspecies of clustered bellflower is heart-hairy. I don't know if I can really distinguish them.

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velkavrh3. 08. 2020 08:34:16

Maybe I can show a bit more bellflowers from my ten-day trip last year through Romanian mountains. Because I was more at the end of the hikers' column I took a lot. If I were more in front it wouldn't be possible. Unfortunately this year's trip through Slovak, Czech and Polish mountains is cancelled. The paid deposit already counts for next year.

This one was similar to our spreading one.

Another one. This will probably be the alpine bellflower. I see such ones in Austria. We don't have them here.

The Carpathian one I did recognize. I had it grown in the garden.

I took this on the path to the highest peak of Romania.

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otiv3. 08. 2020 10:49:12

For me definitely Scheuchzer's bellflowers cause the most headaches, as there are supposed to be many similar species in the mountains, which I read in the book Alpine Flowers - Wolfgang - Lippert and I join this opinion myself.

zlatica3. 08. 2020 12:03:52

Yes, bellflowers are really beautiful flowers, diverse, sometimes too complicated for clear identification and I say again that I'd be thrilled with some handbook just about bellflowers. Scheuchzer's bellflowers tease me too, Vito. Already by writing their name! velik nasmeh

But from this year on I observe them more closely and still learn differences from other similar ones.
Anyway, 28 species of bellflowers are recorded in Slovenia and some have subspecies, like clustered (written with b not p) with three subspecies, peach-leaved with two and tufted with two subspecies. So I think there are still quite a few I haven't met or identified in nature, and probably others too. Complete strangers to me are Siberian, many-flowered, clustered subspecies, since I haven't had chance to pay attention to them, and I wasn't attentive to broad-leaved, it grows on Ratitovec too, and Carniolan, Marchesetti's and Waldstein's I don't know, Justin's I've already searched for but didn't succeed, and Bolognese I don't remember.
I'm happy about every post of your bellflowers. nasmeh

kati19093. 08. 2020 12:39:27

Interesting and instructive to read your "discussions" or views on flower species; whatever they are..they are beautiful.
I am attaching a "floral safari" from Okrešelj; the names are "mine", please provide "yours".

velkavrh3. 08. 2020 12:58:03

kati1909 - correct only at the shiny gravelwort.

Pokalica is the correct term - Silene vulgaris - belongs to the catchfly genus. Widespread from lowlands to 2800m. On screes, however, we find a much smaller, in growth similar scree pokalica.

Picture no. 1 - divjakovec is suspicious to me. It reminds me more of primrose. This divjakovec loves shade and moisture.

Arnicas are hard to recognize. We know lots of them - alpine, Carinthian, field, three-nerved, broad-leaved, single-flowered. In our Posočje also endemic Soča one. High in mountains, however, I surely recognize the rock one.

Gentians are completely a Spanish village to me. We have loads of them.

Masterworts and similar thistles (red or pink colored) confuse me too.

Actually continuously learning recognition of individual little flowers.