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zvončica15. 08. 2020 21:49:46

Velkavrh, really nice collection. The one from Jezersko is something special. Best regards

Darinka, nice bellflowers of yours. Best regards

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zlatica16. 08. 2020 06:23:30

Velkavrh, did you post this saxifrage in pics 23-24 before? Don't remember seeing it. Didn't research what it is, since no name? If not, recommend posting on FB in Rastlinstvo Slovenije, note find date too, experts help ID. I'd be interested what it is, very special. Where exactly found? Lower Jezersko or paths around Czech hut or Ledine? Really interesting. Rosette like Hosta's, flower yellow like sempervivum. Hybrid?? Very interesting if saxifrage. What else if not saxifrage, can't imagine.

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velkavrh16. 08. 2020 07:26:07

zlatica, the determination is correct. I found it about a year ago on Jezersko around the first peak - Kozjek. I learned where and when it grows and went looking for it and found it. It grows on the east side of Kozjek along the forest road on the right side at the edge of the road under rocks. Below the road is that pasture. This forest road ends after half an hour of walking along it. When I found it about a year ago, I also posted it here. Found it on 06.07.2016. I also found confirmation in Flora Alpina, which confirms that it grows here too.

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zlatica16. 08. 2020 11:56:12

Oh, Branko, I missed that you noted the determination, I don't know how I looked. Super, that's a find. I enjoy that you found such a rarity. And you photographed it well too. Congratulations!

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Majdag16. 08. 2020 14:42:08

Speedwell, probably hairy, when it's full of raindrops on it..

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velkavrh16. 08. 2020 20:52:30

You correctly identified this speedwell. Otherwise, there are two more very similar ones - Moris's and hairy. The alpine one is already less hairy. Actually, I don't distinguish these hairy ones the best.

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zvončica16. 08. 2020 21:46:02

Julian columbine today along the path to Ledine.

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velkavrh17. 08. 2020 05:54:50

Zvončica won't be right. Julian columbine is confirmed only in our Julians and is native. I found it this year on Črna prst. There on the path to Ledine grows Einsele's columbine - Aquilegia einseleana, but only in that scree or talus - this year I was apparently too early when I went from Czech hut to Umik Žrela back, and didn't find it. Lower down on the path to Ledine or Umik Žrela common columbine grows - A. vulgaris or many-flowered columbine - A. nigricans. We also have Bertoloni's columbine - A. bertolonii and blackish-violet - A. atrata. We distinguish them by flower size, spurs on flower, flower color and lower leaves.

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velkavrh17. 08. 2020 15:59:23

Today with the retired groups Ponedeljkovci and Torkovci of PD Škofja Loka to Talež. These flowers grow along the path in the forest. Typical flowers of shade and dampness. They grow there at 700m above sea level and we find them also in lowlands. In between there are several species of impatiens. A few years ago I already researched them - there are quite a few. Due to poor light the pics are even worse than usual.

Vetch or milkvetch - unfortunately too poor photo for exact identification - perhaps alpine vetchling, as it had those characteristic blue stripes in the flower.

Woodland hawkweed - Hieracium glaucinum.

Has such leaves - actually there are many subspecies that are hard to identify.

Woodland bedstraw - Galium syvaticum - is tall and has those small flowers.

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zlatica17. 08. 2020 17:51:43

Branko, two corrections on the topic of the flowers above the path to Talež: pic 11 is common touch-me-not, our invasive, pic 16 is common cat's valerian.
A few days ago I came across an excellent and interesting expert article on Bertoloni's aka Julian columbine and I think you'll be very interested when you read it carefully. When listing columbines in Zvončica's post, you listed besides common, many-flowered, blackish-violet also Julian and Bertoloni's. The most important from the article is that according to scientific findings that finally unfolded between Slovenian and Italian botanists in 2010 and 2011, the columbine in Slovenia named Bertoloni's (also listed that way in the last edition of Mala flora Slovenije from 2007, while Julian is not officially listed here - discoveries came later) does not have the same properties as on Italian and French sites. Genetic molecular studies showed differences so great that our previously named as Bertoloni's columbine became a new taxon and Slovenian endemic named Julian columbine Aquilegia iulia Nardi (A. bertolonii auct.slov.); the latter in brackets refers only to naming history. Nardi is an Italian researcher.
So today we can find Julian columbine in the S part of Julian Alps - Krnsko pogorje, Tolmin-Bohinj mountains, partly S and Western edge of Triglav massif, Kamnik Alps and NE part of Trnovski gozd. There's a whole bunch of other curiosities in the contribution below, where everything is explained precisely, including differences. nasmeh

https://www.proteus.si/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/proteus-marec-2013-low.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0r7v1CXRQalECz18LKgz62tigZdOQBa3OKzDXgg25aQL6o3ymaTR5Q5xQ

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zvončica17. 08. 2020 22:41:08

Zlatica, thanks for the contribution on Julian columbine. I don't know exactly where I read about two years ago that until 2013 Julian columbine was known as Bertoloni's columbine, which now is considered to grow only in Apuan Alps (NE Italy and SE France). Julian columbine has "become" our endemic flower.

Einsele's columbine is most similar to Julian columbine among columbines. While Julian columbine has blue-violet flowers, Einsele's has smaller, dark-violet flowers. Mostly distributed in montane and subalpine belt of Julian Alps and Karawanks.

I'm posting two more pics, not the best, but anyway. And I think I came across Julian columbine.

zlatica18. 08. 2020 08:09:40

Zvončica, nice that you've already read about it. I also knew something about it in general, but not so precisely and in depth as written in Proteus. I haven't paid much attention to columbines until now, nor distinguished between them, mainly I'd like to distinguish at least Julian and many-flowered. Maybe soon I'll play with them a bit. lp

velkavrh19. 08. 2020 05:06:53

About a year ago I paid special attention to individual genera of mountain flowers. Now in late summer monkshoods are especially relevant. We have blue colored, slightly blue patterned and dirty yellow ones.

Already with dirty yellow ones there's some confusion. With us grows common monkshood -Aconitum lycoctonum subsp. vulparia. Golden monkshood is a subspecies of common .A.l. subsp. neapolitanum. This is presented also on the botanical path of Črna prst, but they labeled it Latin as Aconitum ranunculifolium. As third is narrow-helmeted -A.l. subsp. lycoctonum - also a subspecies of common monkshood. I don't distinguish them. Bordering Austria should be A. anthora - Adriatic monkshood, which has completely different growth. I've seen it, but don't have pics.

Then follow blue colored. Special is variegated monkshood -A. variegatum subsp. variegatum. Subspecies of variegated A.v. subsp. nasutum is borderline and unconfirmed with us. Follow completely blue. Actually subspecies of variegated is broad-helmeted monkshood -A.v. subsp. paniculatum - can't mix because of growth and leaves. Then follows Lobel's monkshood -Aconitum napellus subsp. lusitanicum. We'd recognize it by completely different growth from Turkish. I see it, but no pics. Subspecies of Lobel's is Turkish monkshood -A.n. subsp. tauricum. Similar to Turkish or almost completely identical is with us so-called tailed - Latin labeled only as A. napellus - so it's a subspecies of Lobel's. Tailed we'd distinguish from Turkish only by flowers which have short curved hairs on the outer side. Bordering Austria also subspecies A.n. subsp. hians. Left to us is our native narrow-leaved monkshood -Aconitum angustifolium. I've seen it also across the border in Italy. And I've exhausted my notes on monkshoods.

Narrow-bracted avens. I don't know the difference between narrow-bracted, golden and common.

On the botanical path, marked as golden avens.

This one is certainly pinnate, as upon close inspection we notice those short thin hairs on the outer side of the flowers.

I will present another completely differently colored avens that I saw last year in Romania.

This is the golden avens from the botanical path on Črna prst, photographed in distant 2012 when I actually started discovering mountain flowers.

velkavrh20. 08. 2020 04:10:06

When I go on more demanding hikes I sleep poorly and am up an hour earlier. So I shorten the time a bit by studying or checking my knowledge of flowers. This time I looked at primroses. Quite a few grow with us. One I've never found with us - that's Hausmann's primrose - Androsace hausmannii. Some are borderline - as you know that means they grow in neighboring country and can appear with us too, but not confirmed with us, we also have so-called unconfirmed with us - those are milky white - Androsace lactea, A. vitaliana subsp. sesleri, A. obtusifolia, A. wulfeniana, blunt-leaved - A. obtusifolia, alpine - that's red colored - A. alpina. With us the most common are hairy - A. chamaejasme and shaggy - A. villosa.

This is probably A. alpina - according to Dr. Milan Lovka's translation, alpine scale. It is on the border with Austria and Italy.

This is the red-tinted scale - probably A. wulfeniana. Otherwise no translation - border with Austria.

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malenka20. 08. 2020 16:06:51

Velkavrh, your primrose determinations from No. 5 onwards are 'dwarfs'. No. 5 is not primrose at all but primrose saxifrage (Saxifraga androsacea). On pictures 6 and 7 it's most likely A. alpina, which can flower from white to pink and the leaves are like that. At 8 they are different, probably that's A. wulfeniana. A. helvetica is on no picture, has very compact and very hairy leaves.

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malenka20. 08. 2020 17:02:11

Dear Velkavrh, with monkshoods you have complete confusion, teaching people wrong things, using invalid names ... I won't go into details. But a little I must, just a few things.

Common doesn't exist. Tailed doesn't exist, only short-tailed exists.

Determinations of your pics: 7 - not variegated, it's narrow-leaved.

With us these species exist: narrow-helmeted (A. lycoctonum), Adriatic, variegated, Vitoshka, broad-helmeted (A. degenii), short-tailed (A. napellus), Turkish and narrow-leaved. First, second, sixth and seventh have subspecies.

I don't know where you got the info that A. variegatum subsp. nasutum is not confirmed with us? Mala flora says it grows in Dinaric area, prealpine, predinaric and submediterranean.

You list some subspecies of Lobel's monkshood, what nonsense! Lobel's is subspecies of short-tailed (A. napellus subsp. lobelii and not subsp. lusitanicum).

Golden monkshood is not A. lycoctonum subsp. neapolitanum but A. lycoctonum subsp. ranunculifolium, which you nicely photographed on the sign. If we are in high mountains, we recognize this subspecies because others don't grow there.

In species that have subspecies, they can cross among themselves, which of course complicates determination.

For determination you have to look at many details, just at flower e.g. also nectaries, helmet shape, spurs, pollen grain diameter ... even for me too much.

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malenka21. 08. 2020 09:17:03

When I reviewed older pics and determinations a bit, many things bothered me.
1. One wrong determination is from 2 years ago: pic posted by velkavrh, determined in comment by Apolonija.
Of course that's not alpine clubmoss but net-veined willow.
2. Zvončica, posted 26. 8. 18 is not broad-leaved but nettle-leaved (has hairy sepals, broad-leaved has smooth).
3. In determination of shrub with fruits (kati1909) error: that's wayfaring tree.
4. Velkavrh's spotted-flowered orchis, posted 5. 9. 18, is actually scarlet-reddish orchis.
LP

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Apolonija21. 08. 2020 13:30:25

Hello, malenka, welcome to this site. As you see, laypeople really need someone with a lot of botanical knowledge to occasionally review our plants and teach us about mistakes, especially recurring ones. So we're left to ourselves, our enthusiasm for plants and guessing which flower it is.
Now I see it's really Salix reticulata, the red fruits confused me. Did they sneak in from another plant? Thanks for the help.

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kati190921. 08. 2020 20:50:58

Welcome "malenka"! I join Apolonija's words; we all learn and stuff goes into the head easier if there's a good teacher on the other side.
Thanks also for the warning about "my mistake". And especially THANKS for "waking up" Apolonija.
Stay with us, flower lovers!

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malenka21. 08. 2020 22:36:46

Apolonija and kati1909, thanks to both for the welcome! I'm glad you don't hold it against me if I criticize something. Of course I don't mean anything personal or bad, I'm happy too if someone teaches me, since no one is infallible. velik nasmeh