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Which flower is this?

Apolonija1. 09. 2013 12:20:42

Alenka M. wrote: In the booklet Alpine plants above the tree line (Walks in Nature collection) it says that only the cup gentian grows above the tree line...

velkavrh1. 09. 2013 13:53:06

Fringed gentian is quite common. I know I found it last year around Vodnikov dom. Around Vodnikov dom, as far as I remember, there are also hedgehog gentians.

There is also delicate gentian, but it doesn't grow here, and also the dwarf one, which could be called a subspecies of the cup one, and it also doesn't grow here - source Hoppe. For the fringed one, it states that it grows up to 2200 m.

Among the small gentians, the following are also supposed to grow here besides the spring, Triglav, and inflated ones: snow, Bavarian, short-leaved; but I don't know them - according to Hoppe.

It was like this last year around this time near Vodnikov dom.

Right on both sides from the hut onwards along the path heading towards Planika it was growing, this one on the left side in the grass. In summer I found plenty of relict bellflowers here.

This one on the right side in the scree, here the path continues to Bohinjska vrata.

Also growing nearby was the cup alpine edelweiss.

otiv1. 09. 2013 14:44:53

Apolonija, Brane, thanks for the welcome help. nasmeh

Naming flowers is my weak point. nasmeh

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Apolonija1. 09. 2013 18:40:27

Brane, I see you really have everything well stored. Did you mean that the statement from the mentioned booklet is completely wrong? Fringed gentian has grown above the tree line, right? Are you sure it was along with the cup one? What if it's the German one, which differs only by calyx leaves that are glabrous on the edges and midrib? I'd need both together to distinguish them. I don't know how many different species and subspecies grow in Slovenia at all. I read that the gentian genus includes 125 to 250 species.

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velkavrh1. 09. 2013 18:59:25

Today, since I have a free Sunday after Prešeren Day, I dedicated myself a bit to gentian - Latin Gentiana. I'm interested whether spotted gentian - Gentiana punctata - grows here; it is similar in growth to felwort. I haven't yet come across anyone writing about it. Ingrid Pilz mentions it in her book Karavanke and KSA. Foreign authors often use different names for flowers otherwise known to us, or translators translate them literally. So I just spotted stemless gentian - Gentiana acaulis - in this book and quickly realized that it is the Koch's gentian known to us all.

She also mentions alpine catchfly - pink color, which I also don't know.

She mentions mountain flax Linum alpinum subsp. julicum - I think it is the Julian flax known to us all.

She also mentions leafy lousewort - Pedicularis nivalis, but I can't find it anywhere. I know all our pink ones: prickly-headed, capitated, spicate, verticillate. Stemless doesn't grow in the high mountains. Kerner's and pink ones, which Hoppe mentions, also don't grow here. Of course, we also have yellow or yellowish ones - I've found the Julian one several times. According to Hoppe, the following should also grow here: yellow lousewort - P. foliosa, Oeder's lousewort - P. oederi, tufted lousewort - P. comosa, and tuberous lousewort - P. tuberosa. Let me warn right away, as I've written many times, that Hoppe's handbook is not the most precise for us. I haven't yet observed these four species here.

I also haven't heard of pink black vanilla orchid, which the writer Pilz mentions in her guide - Nigritella nigra var. rosea.

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peter21. 09. 2013 19:19:04

Whether something grows here or not you'll definitely find out sooner from the most famous book for botanists - Mala flora Slovenije. Flora Alpina is also excellent, with wonderful photos for every species or subspecies.

velkavrh1. 09. 2013 19:25:28

peter2 thanks! I know Mala flora Slovenije, but I don't have it myself. I don't know the Flora Alpina handbook. I'll inquire at the library.

Apolonija1. 09. 2013 23:08:24

Due to different namings and translations it would be good to know Latin names and synonyms nasmeh

I know, even Slovenian ones are hard to remember.

I saw Gentiana punctata in the Swiss Alps, we don't have it here apparently, but the sister one is also a bit dotted.

Alpine rockjasmine /Androsace rosea/ does not grow in Slovenia.

Maybe they translated Pedicularis foliosa as leafy lousewort /folium-leaf/, we don't have it here.

Nigritella nigra var. rosea. Maybe the variety of black nigritella is also pinkish, or she saw Kamnik nigritella.

I agree it would be good to follow Peter's advice. Regards

velkavrh2. 09. 2013 06:25:12

Apolonija, thanks! Just for the rockjasmine I didn't note the Latin name, elsewhere I did. I copied it very accurately from the guidebooks that I own. I have both of Pilz's big guidebooks - Julijci and the one for Karavanke and KSA. They're not for carrying around, but the small supplements can nicely serve for easy hikes.

Just yesterday I was reviewing the flora - mountain flowers Zelenice and actually couldn't wonder enough how many flowers I actually missed or didn't see or photograph or the pics were too poor to publish, because in my list I included only those I published, actually I captured more. Often I too quickly settle for just two shots, then those two aren't good.

Apolonija2. 09. 2013 07:14:26

You work very seriously, admirable. That about Latin names, I meant in general, because I also notice that different nations name the same little flower differently. I must buy MFS and FA.

It probably takes a long time to capture most plants in an area. Or several enthusiasts need to botanize nasmeh

velkavrh3. 09. 2013 07:12:58

For a whole week now I've been somehow reviewing and researching my weak spot since the big ones—my yellows. These are hawkweeds, hawk's-beards, hawkbits, cat's-ears, ox-tongues. In between there's common dandelion, goat's beard, willow-leaved primrose, Obir gypsophila, arnica, common sneezewort and more could be found.

There are many species of hawkweeds and I somehow know most of them. This is the hairy hawkweed known to all of us, there is plenty of it and we somehow cannot mix it with others because it is so hairy.

The grass-leaved hawkweed we also should not confuse, because it has leaves like grass, hence the name.

This is the woodland hawkweed, which has characteristic leaves, grows in the forest and likes shade.

On the path from the valley of Triglav Lakes to Spodnja Komna somewhere in the middle of the path I found this I think hawkweed - this is its flower.

Thus the entire plant and its habitat look. It is the long-haired hawkweed - Hieracium pilosella - chicory family - Cichoriaceae.

Next to it a similar flower grew, but of completely different habit, with more flowers on top of the stem, but I don't have the leaves and the whole plant - it is the racemose hawkweed - Hieracium racemosum - chicory family.

The Obir rockjasmine we can hardly confuse, it has a characteristic inflorescence on top of the stem.

In my opinion, everyone also knows the willow-leaved primrose.

We also find the field hawk's-beard in valleys at every corner.

Goat's beard grows on every meadow up to the subalps and even a bit higher.

Austrian leopard's-bane is a tall plant and is quite common.

Common arnica can already mislead us. It grows both in forests and in mid-mountain areas.

Next are the hawkweeds that I know. In valleys on all meadows we see the biennial hawkweed, which is a branched tall plant with abundant flowers, and it also grows in mid-mountain areas.

For our mountains, the golden hawkweed is characteristic, which almost regularly turns orange and there is a lot of it.

The leaf-leaved hawkweed is photographed on the botanical path below Črna prst.

Here the mountain hawkweed is also photographed.

Next are the globeflowers - this is the common one, which we see a lot even on lowland meadows.

Higher grows a similar gray globeflower, only it is a bit shorter and has gray leaves.

There are even more types of globeflowers - this one is still unidentified - alpine or stemless.

This last group of yellows that I review are hawkbits - this is the stem-clasping one, which is wonderfully orange and a real decoration of our mountain meadows.

We recognize the rock hawkbit by its characteristic leaves.

Perhaps the cutleaf coneflower will even confuse us - found on the path to the Koroški waterfalls.

Or the peach-leaved coneflower. In fact, I have many unidentified of these yellows with full flowers and ray flowers, tall and short. But for identification, good photos of the flower, stem, leaves and the whole plant with habitat are needed.

Apolonija3. 09. 2013 12:22:52

Right now I have no time for a detailed look, maybe tonight. For me those yellow hawkweeds cause headaches, especially hawk's-beards and hawkweeds; you're further in identification. Dimki 16 has a slightly different name, slip-up. Regards.

Apolonija4. 09. 2013 00:20:49

Brane, you also check a bit the possibility that on pictures 4 to 8 it's bifid hawkweed (Hieracium bifidum). Regards

velkavrh4. 09. 2013 05:46:02

Apolonija, thanks! From the library I brought the first part of the otherwise untranslated handbook Flora Alpina—it's a very thick book. The other two books aren't so thick. This one starts with ferns. The first impression tells you that it's excellent stuff, but I'd need to have it myself and take a lot of time to check, which I probably don't have yet—maybe after retirement. Translations aren't such a problem, since I manage German somewhat, it's in German—I also know how to translate with various aids—computer programs etc. Probably expensive though. You need to have the undetermined plant really well photographed, which I already know.

As you saw I was reviewing yellows, I call it dandelion flower. There are tons of other yellows from common sowthistle to common ragwort.

Apolonija4. 09. 2013 08:44:23

It's really not the cheapest, but it's in three parts. Maybe colleagues buy it for you upon retirement nasmeh

Nicely said dandelion flower, since everyone knows dandelion. I usually say yellow baskets, although now they are hawkweeds.

http://euroalps.eu/flora/flora.htm

velkavrh4. 09. 2013 10:40:25

As far as I managed to check, it's not the split hawk's-beard. That hawk's-beard should have variegated leaves and more flowers on the stem. This one has uniform green leaves and only one flower on one stem. In the first part of the Flora Alpina handbook there are no hawk's-beards. I'll check the other two.

velkavrh5. 09. 2013 09:31:59

Finally I discovered which hawk's-beard it is. It's the long-haired hawk's-beard, recognized by hairy leaves below, one flower on a long stem. I identified the other one too—it's the clustered hawk's-beard.

Apolonija5. 09. 2013 15:07:27

Brane, hi! I also looked at both hawk's-beards. The first one also on Zaplana and Kamniški vrh. I couldn't decide for the long-haired one, because the leaves in your picture didn't seem entire-margined (they're probably just curled) and the petals don't have reddish streaks on the outer side as described. For the second hawk's-beard: the bracts in your picture look covered with /dark/ hairs, which I didn't see on the clustered one.
They say hawk's-beards are hard to identify, especially from pics and especially only from part of the plant, so you'll surely identify it first since you saw them? Lp

velkavrh7. 09. 2013 17:12:32

Today on the antepenultimate botanizing of Zelenica with wider surroundings. Today finally the Prevala pasture came up—should have botanized it much earlier. Then along the ridge of Begunjščica to its Veliki vrh via Kalvarija-kolenogriz path. At that time there are lots of globeflowers of both kinds and silky anemone. But all sorts can be found—even evergreen cinquefoil and common tormentil. Posting a wider selection, because I'll only count the posted ones as found, so some pics are worse.

The marsh helleborine is still quite common.

There is a huge amount of silky-haired gentian everywhere. Flora alpina also calls it kokoščevolistni.

There is also a lot of horse mane in the forest.

Common cyclamens have been scenting us since spring.

In the forest I also spot broad-helmeted monkshood.

Narrow-helmeted monkshood is also here. Flora alpina defines it as common monkshood - Aconitum lycoctonum subsp. vulparia.

In the forest the red sticky-catchfly is still blooming.

Around the Born tunnels in the rocks I notice pore-leaved rockjasmine.

On steep slopes by the path past Born's tunnels I notice this yellowish garlic. There was none elsewhere. It's the same as last time at Ledin.

In the forest I also see common ragwort.

In the forest I spot Scopolia carnolica too - recognizable by the leaves.

When I reach Prevalo pasture the mountain meadow flowers start - I immediately see mountain goldenrod.

On the edge of the pasture there are lots of various thistles - sticky thistle.

The woolly-headed thistle is beautiful. I even find it below the summit of Begunjščica.

This one also grows on Prevala pasture. I'll research which one it is. It looks like common thistle.

On Prevala pasture the shaggy monkshood begins and then we see it up to the summit of Begunjščica.

Here the cup-shaped monkshood also begins - there is a huge amount of it everywhere up to the summit of Begunjščica. On Prevala pasture it is on much longer stems. Higher up the stems are short.

Here I spot the clustered bellflower too.

On the pasture there is also a lot of common yarrow.

On the way to Begunjščica from Prevala pasture to Kalvarija - here among tall grasses blooms the common speedwell.

Here there is also broad-leaved grabljišče. The flower is similar to the valley ogerski, but the leaves are different.

The path to the summit of Begunjščica from Preval pasture to the top of the Begunjščica Veliki vrh ridge takes about two hours. After an hour and a half, high alpine flowers begin. On the rocks I find snowbells.

Almost at the top of the Begunjščica ridge I find probably the last flower of this year of the evergreen gladnica.

Some flowers of the evergreen rockjasmine can still be found.

Thus the furrowed rockjasmine concludes its flowering.

This is how smiljke grow - I'll try to identify the species using Flora alpina.

Flower of črvinka - not the Austrian one.

Back to Zelenica - on the scree the scree bellflower struggles.

On the scree only this kislica remains - I'll check the species in Flora alpina.

Every autumn this red foliage excites me, visible from afar - alpine currant.

For the photo of Zois' bellflower I even climbed a little.

I found this flower too - perforate penny-cress - Thlaspi perfoliatum - crucifers - Brassicaceae.

At the gentians - pink ones mainly kiksnem - feathery.

Julian gentian - grows on Zelenica near the hut.

This is the flower of this gentian too. Maybe later add another flower. The harvest was really rich.

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jprim7. 09. 2013 19:07:43

Since you are real flower experts, I gave up this hobby because it became too tiring nasmeh

, but I always like to look at this flower collection again.
Now I have a question, or rather ask for help.
The flower really isn't alpine, but I don't know what it is, grows in the garden, don't even know how it got there.
Is this thing edible, since it grows in the garden zavijanje z očmi