Rutil - Recent messages

"I doubt they do such things on Gross Glockner, Zugspitze, Marmolata..."

for Marmolata I can't say, since I haven't stood up there in summer months, but on the other two mentioned it's just as pointless to go between June and August, because the circus is simply too big. To such peaks (also Triglav) one goes out of season; everything else is unfortunately a waste of time.

And I'm no purist and strongly support hiking in the hills, but the summer circus near famous peaks has become unbearable in the last 10-15 years in summer months.

"your comment is more witty than mine."

nothing is witty, it's just fact.

did you do study yourself where you drew conclusion on origin of polluters, or rely on work of others who did such study, or are you ignorant and full of prejudices - latter with today's very easy access to all possible info can only be result of stupidity (no other).

"Slovenia is currently a democratic country"

and that's exactly why the commanders of totalitarianism, in the form of the Levica party, have a place in parliament. whether someone likes it or not.

"that above is a blatant example of hate speech."

don't bullshit.

Lukit's opinion is infantile, if not downright retarded in all possible views and definitions, but not hateful.
does Lukit incite direct violence, perhaps promotes totalitarian symbols (like say the Levica party and its "friends" on the right in B&H)?
what's hateful about his opinion?
being stupid is not hateful, it's just stupid.

"Rutil, they judge. Then helicopter and sometimes condolences on social networks"

every lesson costs something, such are unfortunately expensive. and if folk still inadequately equipped head to mountains it's their problem. my problem with it is only that they push GRS into shit, who pull them out literally for free by some impossible logic in my view.

but I won't tell anyone that something is MANDATORY for anyone. especially not for equipment worth LITERALLY nothing if you don't know how to use it.

"When hiking with crampons the use of ice axe is mandatory."

for you maybe, I won't judge you because I don't know you. everyone should judge for themselves what they need and what not.

"Show yourselves, don't write under usernames"

said "AND1"

sorry; I thought your comment was general about sneakers and microspikes and not about the specific case from slovenske novice

accident just happens - with bad gear and ignorance probably (much) sooner, but gear as such or hammering that you MUST have ice axe with crampons...duh; if you're a bumbler gear for 5000€ doesn't help or I'm sure Üli Steck had perfect gear on and ended like this photographer.

still wonder why they fly helicopter literally for free

"Rutil, yeah self-promo runs smoothly. The other part is mostly posted by rescuers."

really didn't know there were so many accidents at Grintovec runs.
weird that they then ran so many or let them organize at such number of accidents.

how many accidents total at Grintovec run? cuz I'd think they'd cancel the event after the first accident.

"hmm, why do participants in such stories never post their exploits on social networks?"

on Grintovec they all ran in sneakers without helmets and it was pretty well media-covered, not just on social networks.

"Legally?"

and in summer for Stol via Zirovnica don't forget helmet, SVK, 50m rope + harness, mountaineering boots with AT LEAST 3mm Perwanger leather, Vibram sole and some *Tex membrane, pants with kevlar reinforcement and 3-layer Goretex jackets plus merino wool base layer. Besides that, for orientation on this path, a map at a scale of max 1:1000 or at least GPS and for any case satellite phone is welcome.

then nothing can happen to you. You're 100% safe.

"Then breaking the law is the only answer. Yes?"

I don't know what you mean by that sentence?

in totalitarian states criticizing the government was (is) breaking the law - yes it's breaking the law for which a penalty was (is) prescribed, but again....sense of laws.

@muzl: regarding breaking laws, especially the sense of some, one could discuss - so everyone who rides over the summit breaks the law because they go through protected area with a vehicle (at least according to TNP map)... the almost fine that Čokl got for "breaking the law".... look, rules/laws must exist, I agree, but they must also make sense.
if these guys rode with motocross bikes it would be very wrong (noise, pollution,...) or if they rode this path e.g. in summer during the procession and endangered all tourists. like this they only endanger themselves and don't cause much damage to the surroundings (everything is under snow now).
accidents happen to the best and the worst - and if someone drags a bike (not exactly feather-light) through snow in mid-winter to, note, Kredarica!!! then probably not a total beginner who one day while dolling up in Ljubljana center, where in a pink Lacoste polo shirt he celebrated a "#coffee_in_center#ljubljana" moment, decided to go mid-winter to Kredarica with a damn DH bike.
dragging GRS into this maybe not appropriate, they are here to help - but I don't understand why they do it for free and not for "big bucks" as brothers south of Kolpa would say. and not just because of staff and infrastructure costs, but because they push rescuers into shit and danger too.
and we're back to the sense of Slovenian laws/rules and not three dudes with DH bikes at Kredarica.

I applaud them because they found some sports activity they like to do and which doesn't have much impact on the environment and other people - why not applaud that? again, someone who drags a DH bike to Kredarica... for him that sport is probably LAW and I assume these guys have ridden quite a few hills before coming up with this idea and thus have quite some experience. the same folks could be blabbing at home in front of screens, instead they gain experience and adventures with sports.

as for foolishness - to each his own. once I was returning to the parking in Vrata and a group of tourists watches (two even with binoculars hehe) climbers in the Wall and comments: "look crazies, why risk that". I thought "pfff... cool cool, slightly fouš, gotta go back to the Wall soon, good idea, good"
if these three pulled off the stunt as planned, this was their "best day ever" and definitely worth a beer at the end.

@djimuzl:

didn't know that (haven't seen a bike in 20 years)
then it's of course wrong.
but does that mean you can't go to Aljažev dom by bike or what?
addition: on the map the road to Vrata Frey (not protected area). but part of the road to Vršič is protected - so by that logic you can't reach Vršič from Primorska by car/bike on the road. interesting.

"Opportunity for debate"

what's there to debate? sorry if it sounds ignorant, but I don't get what's worth debating here - just three guys doing an interesting sport (from their point of view)... all have helmets on, they're surely well conditioned (dragging a bike to Kredarica isn't exactly "easy").
don't know how good the snow was for this feat, but hope they had a blast, nailed the weather

maybe it looks a bit weird to you, but lots of people think climbing hills is for "weirdos" yet that's probably one of top 5 free time activities for this forum's users

Has anyone visited it these days?
Would start from Konec.

trodden yes but crampons welcome. my ice axe had only decorative function today; but those couple 100g no panic to drag just in case (one never knows); otherwise poles in hands whole way.
some went without anything and also with those chains, but for me not comfortable; I walked in crampons to the top and back like in Tivoli park
windy in gusts (few times quite strong, but I was early at top, maybe better during day?). snow dry and locally (rarely) frozen - afternoon I believe it will be south-facing and between Plesišče and upper lift station "ice rink"