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Bavarian Grintavec

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padez4. 06. 2024 11:27:01
It's planned to fix it this year.
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DVas4. 06. 2024 11:50:24
That's great news nasmehnasmeh
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Daaam4. 06. 2024 12:03:32
If by chance someone responsible reads this. Maybe it would still be in place to mount a warning sign at both entry points for the path under Pelci from Kanja saddle to the path under Špička that it's not an easy marked path as indicated on maps but some demanding "marked" pathless terrain. A few years ago met a scared family from abroad somewhere in the middle. More than obvious they had no idea where they set off to. They had a map with marked trail. We suggested they turn around and go together under Špička but they said no chance they'll go back. Well, it wasn't any easier ahead either but they didn't know that yet..
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bbugari14. 06. 2024 12:44:38
This path is marked, but difficult for orientation because it is unwalked, as Daaam shows marked pathless terrain. However, it is not technically demanding, but still on the board under Špička there is a triangle. The path is beautiful!
My question was: is the path to B. Grintavec from Bavšica really newly marked and fully signposted?
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DVas4. 06. 2024 13:10:55
This is from YT, last year, don't know which part of the path though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lvKQcJeePA
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bbugari14. 06. 2024 14:30:55
I know, thanks!
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Rabraminca4. 06. 2024 17:04:50
The path from the shelter under Špičko goes at the first junction down to the west, walk through tall grasses and among scree, reach the horse and the big mark probably faded, you go towards the south to the hill and gully, reach the top, tall grasses await, just keep straight to the west, at some part you will be on Planina Zapotok, there you can go down or further to the Kanja saddle.
view towards the west from BG1
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djimuzl5. 06. 2024 11:44:20
velik nasmeh
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darekoporcic25. 06. 2024 10:56:20
On Friday (21.6.) I was at the top via the technically easiest path from Soča. There aren't many alternatives lately if you consider the closure of the path over Kanjski preval, only the variant from Bavšica along the ridge over Mali Grintovec remains, which seems very little visited. Sadly the summit itself is little visited, and not just because of the difficulty. The stamp is completely worn out, the book, full, crumpled and all moldy, rests in the cabinet. But I'm writing this mainly because of the sad state of the path. The label "mountain path" really deserves only the lower part from Soča to Lemovje, the last few hundred meters before Lemovje are even exemplarily mowed to a width of a meter and a half. Really praiseworthy and friendly. Likewise the spring above Lemovje. Uphill pleasant refreshment, downhill you dream of it already from the top. From Lemovje to Planina nad Sočo it still goes for a while, especially through the forest where the path hardly overgrows. On the traverse part, approx. last 200 m altitude, the fight with grass, bushes and especially ticks begins. You'll meet some snakes too (I saw no venomous ones), but that has little to do with the path condition. On open parts the path, which mostly isn't wider than 20 cm anyway, is almost completely overgrown. Luckily it's the only one and in steepness can't be missed. When you push through the overgrown pasture among clumps of tall grass, hidden rocks and holes in between to Planina nad Sočo, you're halfway. Second big friendliness on the path is the local hunting hut with bench offering some shade and nice shelter. Here respray with anti-tick spray, because there are really lots (from big to small, due to rare visits starved and barely waiting for you). From the hunting hut the path goes on over former pastures, then through forest and then scree. Same story again, one would most like to borrow an axe from hunters and cut excess branches that will hide the modest trail completely in few years. So far not mentioned markings. Not fresh, but no feeling too few or not visible. But obviously no one has dealt with the path for at least 10-15 years and soon these markings will fade too, and then to this interesting summit only via demanding pathless terrain. Near 2000 m we reach vegetation limit and conditions change there, but not better. Initially nicely routed and secured path destroyed beyond recognition by ruthless "sliders" and then natural erosion. Instead of prudent switchbacks advance straight up towards rocky passage under summit over sliding scree. Looks like some clever head even marked these vertical "shortcuts" with red lines and legalized destruction of path and nature. Like at start the path is worthy of its name only on the last 100 altitude meters under summit. In short, nature wonderful and worth seeing. Alpine Association, responsible association, municipality, tourist organizations and innkeepers could thoroughly think if in their interest only most dedicated, stubborn and enduring go to mountains. Those don't pay for expensive apartments and lunches in Bovec, Soča and Trenta. Those who do see Soča gorges, waterfalls and museums in two days then go on. And look at Bavški Grintovec, Rombon, Kanin and other peaks from valley when drive through by car or motorcycle in half hour.
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dprapr25. 06. 2024 19:13:56
I don't know what connection “expensive apartments and lunches in Bovec” has with BG. zmeden Obviously volunteering doesn't work the way they convince us.
On the last tour in Austria the 8-hour-long trail was exemplarily maintained. We met a guy who already in the early morning hours 2 hours away from the valley with a heavy chainsaw trimmed a couple hundred meters of thick pines, which didn't seem too close to the trail to me at all. And probably not as a volunteer.
I don't know how they managed that from far down in the valley, but it was dry. 1
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Trobec25. 06. 2024 19:20:03
To such peaks where you have 1800+ meters of ascent without huts, only the most dedicated go anyway.mežikanje Tourist organizations already now absolutely TOO MUCH promote mountains and bear a good share of responsibility for the practically daily rescue of tourists who by no means are up to the ones they set off to. PZS in these matters, unless it's the Transversal, "wisely distances itself" and only the local PD remains responsible. And it simply has too few path maintainers.

I wrote some time ago in another thread...in the next decades or perhaps already years many trails will disappear (or become unmarked or even pathless). The work of path maintainers who maintain trails for free in their free time is not valued enough. That's why there are fewer and fewer of them.
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n3jc25. 06. 2024 22:11:46
This dogma that tourist agencies' advertising is the main culprit for everything seems all-encompassing to me, because it gets on my nerves too. But has it ever been critically thought about? I wouldn't underestimate the reach of social networks in combination with translation tools and search engines.

I base this on how, on some trips abroad that weren't primarily hiking ones, I searched for suggestions for some side trip to the local mountains. Completely bypassing promotion. And I'm not the best at the internet. People who want peace and seclusion will gobble up posts that advertise 6 hours of walking, nice photos, have red lines drawn ("and you can't get lost"), navigation and Locus Maps and off we go. How much overlap there is between such an approach and tourist organizations' actions, I have no idea, but sorry for the English phrase: "Correlation is not necessarily causation".

You're part of the promotion willy-nilly with your blog and Facebook presence. nasmeh And we with this forum. This also helps pull the promotional cart forward, maybe on the edges but still - just like we help each other with FB, Reddit, or whatever comes to hand when we go abroad to somewhere we don't have sources for.

I don't mean you're guilty of anything, but let's look at the fact that open information on the web that search engines find is free promotion that boosts tourism percentages. That's why it often hurts me when I see a post with hundreds of likes containing the sentence "I hope these ends stay peaceful forever", on such a scale such statements turn out comical, right. velik nasmeh
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Trobec25. 06. 2024 23:11:02
You're right, all who post are (co)responsible for more visits to the mountains nasmeh The debate on what's appropriate to post has been dragging on hribi.net since the site exists. And it always will. I admit, I myself often wonder if something is appropriate. And, at least for pathless terrain, less information is given on FB than on hribi.net. Because I somehow count on a more experienced population here. Whoever is seriously interested has to read anyway. But yeah...I realize a huge number of people don't read and decide based on pics...

As for tourist agencies (the main emphasis of my previous comment was actually on the undervalued work of path maintainers), I know a couple of examples of "bad practice". A tourist worker even admitted to me once (won't name the name/agency), how he sprinkled himself with ashes when he saw who they had sent to the mountains. The idea was that the tourist pays the agency something, and it equips him with maps and route tips...some kind of "self-guiding". But the "regret" came when on Kredarica he realized what kind of "slipper-wearers" they sold their "package" to.
Yeah I know...on one hand it's quite similar to social networks, on the other...there's a bit of difference if you do it for money zavijanje z očmi
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dprapr26. 06. 2024 10:53:34
On one hand you lament that trails aren't maintained enough, but it bothers you that pathless areas are well-visited. Who could understand you? nasmeh
Isn't the goal of everything that as many people as possible go to the mountains? And if they like pathless terrain, why hide them? After all, in high mountains “pathless hikers” do less damage than trail tramplers. And they usually have a different attitude towards mountains.
Of course some are bothered that people wander in “hidden” areas. They'd like to have them just for themselves, even though they're not owners.
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DVas17. 10. 2024 10:07:56
Are there any snow patches on the trail? Does anyone maybe have some fresher info on conditions?
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mary17. 10. 2024 13:14:10
Trail from Soča completely dry. The north side looked the same too.
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DVas17. 10. 2024 13:50:20
Thanks a lot nasmehnasmeh
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darinka41. 11. 2024 19:32:40
1. 11. 2024. We went from Soča.
There is quite a lot of foliage on the path.1
At the hunting hut.2
And blue sky.3
And summery warm.4
Everything familiar.5
Still need to go over the scree.6
In the gully.7
Gully.8
Below the summit.9
Peak with views.10
Križ11
And the highest.12
who is so beautiful.13
greetings to the only hiker. 14
at the top we stayed a while. 15
one could see far.16
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closer up. 22
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who knows if anyone walks there?24
he was with me four times. 25
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three in a row. 29
already from the gully. 30
autumn vistas. 31
Water, source of life.32
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garmont2. 11. 2024 14:03:29
Darinka, do you perhaps know if there's a stamp at the summit?
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darinka42. 11. 2024 14:30:31
I wasn't at the cross because we stopped a bit earlier. There's little space there and it's precipitous on the north side. As far as I remember from last year, the stamp was up there. Unless someone took it. Regarding the path condition, now that the grasses are low, Maksij and I had no problems following the trail. Yes, the windfall really needs to be sawn a bit. No ticks in sight. The markers are all faded. Only in the gravelly part before you reach the gully they're clearly visible. In the gully too. When we were at the top an ibex came close. It stayed there for quite a while. It can trigger a stone set on the ledge. The hiker who came up after us went down first. We waited until he got out of the gully so we wouldn't trigger any stone. Whoever goes, the tour is fitness-demanding although not difficult at all. We nicely spaced our time. We started hiking quarter to seven in the morning and were at the vehicle at four pm. In daylight. That little spring above Lemovje is worth gold.
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