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redbull7. 12. 2020 21:02:55
Primož, go for treatment or at least some enlightened idea would benefit you
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redbull7. 12. 2020 21:17:43
You're right, otherwise it's not interesting
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pohodnik388. 12. 2020 00:51:27
@Nina4 exactly so "Unfortunately most don't know what they actually have to do..." and employers don't either, at least those small sp and doo like our case. The one who was in contact with infected coworker thinks no fever and no other corona symptoms anyway and keeps working. Unfortunately that's how it is, that's why numbers don't go down. I'm not saying they don't follow measures like mask wearing and distance if possible but sometimes work method is such you can't always. Using same tool material hand to hand, carrying heavier products... Then there should be real total lockdown, which country can still afford it.
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VanSims8. 12. 2020 08:24:08
Oh, I already thought we could have sex without fear without condom. velik nasmeh Oh, kid, here is also AIDS... mrk pogled
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ppegan8. 12. 2020 10:14:55
That's what Vasja Jager wrote and I quite agree with it:

Enough!
No, it's not partying, picnics and raves. Not family lunches and visits. Not smoke breaks and snacks at work. Not conspiracy theorists and egoists who don't wear masks. People not guilty whatever they are. In Slovenia percentage of idiots in general population not much higher than in other European countries but obviously disproportionately high in authority structures. The only guilt for epidemic devastation we as society need to talk about lies at its top.

After first wave nothing done on systemic level to prevent current catastrophe. No adequate staff and spaces for elderly homes provided. No rapid tests for checking all entering home. No border with Croatia closed during tourist season because of which 165 infections flooded then healthy country again. No containing corona spread from that population as no quarantine decisions issued so infected walked and spread damned microorganism. No churches closed no banning pilgrimages and confirmations. No tracking virus flows as epidemiologists lost contact overview during its spread so blanket concrete possible holes and closed kindergartens schools small business and pushed thousands barbers and cafes to ruin. But no closing industries big halls crowded offices and no pouring borrowed billions into some universal basic income allowing people stay home so underpaid and boss intimidated workers still go to work just god forbid caught on smoke break.

These are facts not journalistic bullshit ideology or fake news. Antimaskers drunks and weekenders didn't dig Slovenia one of worst epidemiological pictures in Europe. In Germany corona denier sects mass protested in hundreds of thousands on streets against lockdowns and masks yet regarding infection share and deaths Germany is Mercedes to Slovenia's scooter. No epidemiological picture not reflection of people but of its authority. We are not guilty we are victims. We are the tired scared and angry ones we have parents and grandparents in elderly homes we all day every day school entertain and comfort our lost children we all day every day work and don't know if next month still have job. And finally we are those who did all required from us so far. We are not the problem we are the people.
So enough!
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UB778. 12. 2020 11:00:53
There must be something to it! And meanwhile, while the "crowd" argues among themselves who wears the mask under the nose and who under the chin, how many "snitches" go around snitching and reporting and suing neighbors who play outside with other kids, those at the top calmly do their own thing and they don't care much about us! P.S. words in quotes are meant cynically and not offensively.
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zokipoki8. 12. 2020 11:44:50
We all want to be at least a bit close to the truth, earn some likes and consequently feel smart, safe. Humanity is a horde of wild animals. Here there's no more or less correct! Truth doesn't care if it's believable. Sooner or later cultural and moral structures collapse under the weight of the vile human nature. Here and there a star shines, a smile appears, lucky us,... everything else is just superficial attempts to hold together some quasi-normality, which is anything but that.
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ppegan8. 12. 2020 12:21:36
Zoran, I'm not after likes for me, my mind still works fine, even if it's peasant mežikanje It's about the government making fools of us, and deliberately pitting us against each other, JJ is a master at that, as well as in attacking everyone who has anything against him and his policy - the latest in line is STA, and Mario Fafangel didn't resign because they didn't follow his measures. It got up JJ's nose because people believed what he said, and because he doubted the justification of current measures - and he was immediately in line for dismissal. For him, the people are state enemy No. 1. First we Gorenjci were to blame for bad results for being stingy, then employees, then those who went martinovali - actually everyone else, only the government is super and oh so great and does everything right. We are disobedient kids who keep fooling him. But it's not like that. Whoever doesn't see that is really blind. And because of such people, the government can read us bedtime stories for a long time.
I won't even talk about the article in Demokracija about the superiority of the white race. Demokracija is owned by SDS, in case someone didn't know. I thought the times of nazism and white supremacy were over, but apparently they want to revive it in SDS.
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felix8. 12. 2020 12:45:45
ppegan - bravo!!!
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redbull8. 12. 2020 13:02:42
Couldn't be written nicer than Polona pasted Vasja's sentences.
Waiting for Primož's reply after workmežikanje
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VanSims8. 12. 2020 13:23:46
Always someone else is to blame, right? Let's leave Janša up or down now. Why aren't the numbers decreasing? Measures are here. Yes, some (municipalities e.g.) are indeed unnecessary but others aren't. No, people aren't guilty of anything. Always some other excuse. That's why it's been like this with us for thirty years.

This is typical for people (Slovenes even more so):

- times are such that nothing can be done. Always some bad times - excuse.

- ah those doctors, incompetent, they couldn't cure me. That he lived unhealthily before, the doctors are to blame! I won't say I've heard of guys who only for a week or two before check-up live healthy (healthy food, no alcohol, ...) so that tests are fine and doctor won't nag! After check-up they live as before. But the doctors' gang messed it up, yeah! Our doctors are worth their money too and I don't defend them.

- bad company is to blame that my kid got into crime and drugs! No, god forbid anyone looks inside themselves and thinks where they screwed up in upbringing. That the kid was spoiled, everything brought to his ass, always got what he wanted, ... then he has problems in life and "what will become of this child!"

- ah, what a gloomy day today, I'm really in a bad mood and can't do anything. The day is to blame! Even the weather!

- I won't say that for some horoscope, numerology, position of stars is to blame,... well, but those are already special cases!

Lipa example: everything else was to blame, only the kids hanging around the door, no. No, it was that security didn't have license! And Zavašnik and only him! Municipal inspections nothing! Let alone parents who raised kids into such brats, into trash that can't give up one night of fun. No, he must have it even if half his friends die! Yeah, sure, you parents aren't guilty of anything, guilty are those ugly security guys and Zavašnik!

Leave kids. A month or two later adults crowded similarly at Hofer opening. Who would be guilty now for accident? Adults aren't 'kids' anymore and innocent children to whom everything is forgiven, even if some behave like big children. Yeah Hofer would be guilty. They would find something! Say, they didn't pay the security bill for a month back!

And same with measures. Government is guilty! Not those who don't respect measures. Leave what Janša is like as politician. For some this, for others different. Right now I don't care at all. They really started measures late and really could have stricter control and something else is wrong. That's true! But inspectors can't be everywhere. Measures first depend on us. Also not so much guilty those lefties who incite boycott of measures (though that's really sly of them). Everyone decides on violation themselves!

I, who was a lot abroad this year, saw how they respect measures there and how here. Difference is considerable!

Here? Kids play undisturbed on playground. Spoiled brats who because of one corona won't be deprived of play and winter joys even if half of Slovenia dies and economy collapses. There's already pre-prepared culprit: Janša! Or if left were in power, those commie leftists!

People meet freely, talk, no distance, no masks.

Many employers don't give a fuck about measures. Some even said so on this forum regarding that.

I meet neighbor on stairs and he has something to tell me. I have mask, he doesn't. Stops half a meter before me and even during talk pushes towards me, though I retreat. Just like he wants to infect me! Like fighting to spit in my face as much as possible! And he's a pensioner, so a risk group, it shouldn't be all the same to him.

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redbull8. 12. 2020 13:53:03
With such measures or without them it would be the same mess. Infections happen anyway and mostly come from health centers. Nursing homes are all positive because many come from hospital there and so all get infected, logical as beans, plus some health staff work with positive cases.
Example: colleague from neighboring village works from home, practically goes nowhere (has small child). Had to go to health center for something for child, next day gets fever, of course positive. So those who think mask helps, sorry no help for them. We wear it, me too, but more or less because I convince myself it helps. On village during walks, runs (asphalt, forest areas) there's no way I'd wear a mask.
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ppegan8. 12. 2020 14:03:49
VanSims, ouch, you're such a negative one huh zmeden Government had half a year to prepare for second wave, which they predicted already in spring. And what did it do in that time?? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Read Vasja's central paragraph once more, then comment.
I'm fed up being guilty for something I'm not!! Really enough for me! I respect measures, as I see in my area and shops, others do too, at least most, and I'm still guilty that situation in country isn't better?? You say people don't respect measures. I believe minority really doesn't, but that minority isn't responsible for situation not improving, can't be. Majority respects them because they fear fines or know they can't afford fines. Of course easiest is to blame people, especially when incompetent government at head, they have nothing else left.
Even Počivavšek, who's just such a clown like all other clowns in government, realized measures aren't adequate and they must change government strategy. Oh come on, don't shit me!! And sadly I can't leave JJ, since he's responsible for all that's happening now. And he's definitely not good person, even less works for good of people! How can you be so blinded? I understand you're fan, but you can't be so blinded given what he posts daily and what crap he throws out. Did you also congratulate Trump before official results, and publicly insult female journalists as prostitutes, and been in prison?? I really don't understand you. How can you overlook all that, even defend him and consider him cool guy???
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MitjaBelak8. 12. 2020 14:17:00
Bravo ppegan, hats off.
Last night at 22.05 there was a very good show on slo2.
Propaganda - manufacturing consent. Worth watching.
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VanSims8. 12. 2020 14:28:35
Who's the negative now, @ppegan?

"I believe that minority really doesn't, but that minority isn't responsible for situation not improving, can't be."

Exactly that minority is most responsible! Even if all others respect so much, because of 10-20 percent it will be as it is. Numbers aren't increasing sure, but we stagnate. Yeah, exactly because of that minority!

I can wear mask so much and protect others, but one idiot sticks to my face and I get it. Similar to road, you can respect rules so much but some drunk or maniac crashes into you and ... wouldn't go further. 80-90 % of us follow rules. Why so many accidents then? Janša guilty?

I believe you respect measures, I do too as much as I can, already for myself.

Government has mistakes, left would have them too but they would be forgiven huh?

And here is another communication fail of this government. Plays on strings of consideration for others. Respect measures because of others! How will you convince that little Slovene, self-absorbed, egoistic! You harm yourself by not following, you endanger yourself! That's what they should say! Everyone can do most for themselves!

"I understand you're fan, but you can't be so blinded given what he posts daily and what crap he throws out. Did you also congratulate Trump before official results, and publicly insult female journalists as prostitutes, and been in prison?? I really don't understand you. How can you overlook all that, even defend him and consider him cool guy???"

Above Janša fails are very connected to these measures and situation, huh? I'm no blind follower. I criticize left and criticize right when needed.

Measures are correctly directed, some even unnecessary but guilty is exactly that percent you say isn't.
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korl8. 12. 2020 14:40:59
Vansims, you're definitely not a blind follower of the left or right. You're a textbook example of an apparatchik from public administration who sticks to rules, even if they're so at odds with common sense.
Just say where you're employed, if you dare....
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michael668. 12. 2020 14:50:59
All at the top of the state who are now messing around with this corona missed the opportunity to prevent the current situation. And that in the summer when there were practically no more infections in Slo. They allowed import into the country. I already wrote somewhere that probably one week of vacation abroad is worth more than half a year of movement restriction to one's municipality (which only worsens and doesn't improve the situation). Left or right government? Left can't complete a term, right uses Nazi methods from WWII (and before). I've finished with various elections and referendums in my life.
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VanSims8. 12. 2020 14:58:33
@michael66: mistakes were made. Yes, that was also a mistake, not closing borders on time. But in Austria too they didn't. They introduced lockdown even later than us. And now they already have visible improvement with similar measures. Just why?

"I've finished with various elections and referendums in my life."

And the government in power will be to blame for everything. Janša or the leftists. Not those who could have prevented them from coming to power with their participation in elections or who could have turned something around or prevented some stupidity with referendums.

Oh that EU, why did we have to join it! Look, there was a referendum. If you let yourselves be blindly led by those who trumpeted how everything would be ah and oh in the EU and how insanely beneficial it is for all of us, even though we already had a negative experience living in the same state we rushed into with blind enthusiasm, you're completely to blame yourselves.
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zokipoki8. 12. 2020 15:01:03
Until today I didn't know I work in public administration.
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ppegan8. 12. 2020 15:37:02
VanSims, just this one reply, because I really don't feel like convincing someone who's convinced that he's to blame for everything himself, even for losing his job due to government measures and not knowing how to pay bills, feed kids. Obviously he didn't work well or took too many smoke breaks, government and idiotic measures have nothing to do with it.

"Exactly that minority is most responsible! Even if all others respect so much, because of 10-20 percent it will be like it is. Numbers aren't increasing, but we're stagnating. Yes, exactly because of that minority!"

Yeah, that's not true. Why so many infections in nursing homes today?? Because employees don't respect measures, because they're obviously egoists, and they don't care if their wards die. Is that the minority? No, definitely not. Think a bit, and don't keep trumpeting the same thing.

Above all, take care of yourselves and stay healthy.
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