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Hribolaznik8. 12. 2020 15:59:45
Quoting ppegan: "... government and idiotic measures..." For ppegan obviously the whole world is idiotic, since the whole world has measures. Maybe idiotic measures are for idiots? Ppegan just doesn't understand that measures are to prevent the health system from collapsing. Now the health system somehow works, without measures nothing would work.... Ppegan doesn't understand that. And many others who pontificate about non-measures... The pig dreamed of corn, old saying...
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dragon8. 12. 2020 16:05:30
Some try and respect measures, others whistle at everything (just because wrong people are in position-we won't listen to them, since they're not ours). But important that once this shit is behind us, we'll again hear nonsense about how we Slovenes know how to unite in hard times and overcome problems with common strength.
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VanSims8. 12. 2020 16:16:26
@ppegan: But how did the virus get into nursing homes? Through the air through windows? Elderly supposedly can't go out, so not their fault. Visits? Yes, where allowed and no safety measures.

Mainly health workers, who else contacts them? How did they get it or bring it in? Not necessarily egoists and careless. Read what I wrote a bit. You can respect measures so much but others don't. As I said, you wear mask and one without sticks to you and breathes in your face.

Last time standing in Mercator queue and one teenage mule literally sticks to me. Well, yeah young ones stick to me anyway, ... hmmm at least of age mežikanje ... but not these times. I warn her. She looks at me like from another planet. What? She'll keep distance. No, if she decided to stand there, she will. Obviously raised that whatever happens she has right to do and amen. Shock for her that someone else warns her, not used from home because she can do whatever. And when she finally got it, others already piled behind her and she couldn't move.

I gave accident comparison. You can watch so much but ... one drunk, one maniac ... bang! BTW, fewer dead and seriously injured today more due to improved safety systems and tougher metal, not because we drive better.

So, not necessary you're in those 10-20% but anyone who thinks he has right can infect you. Also health worker or nursing home worker. Bet if that worker had on forehead health or from nursing home, it wouldn't bother that potential egoist from 10-20% at all.

And of course in the end don't forget those health workers and nursing home workers who brought virus from ski resorts in spring (yes, Metlika) and probably haven't changed much till today. Also among them 10-20% of those jerks.
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dragon8. 12. 2020 16:22:01
Hey Hribolaznik don't you know this virus is invention of Janez Janša. If you mention this virus abroad, they just look at you blankly. All together is big stage like in Truman Show. JJ makes fools of us all with help of media, which of course are all on his side. When "vaccine" comes, he'll inject microchips under skin to control and monitor us.
Ah, and yesterday's storm on coast also Janša's fault, because he's bad man. When will some wake up and get it?velik nasmeh
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piotr8. 12. 2020 16:29:42
@primoza, that with "morally impeccable" cadres we experienced already in former state. And it was everything but praiseworthy, like some previous governments too, so...zmeden
Worth remembering also media influence that could raise awareness more positively.
We Slovenes are really incredible, we managed to politicize the virus like no one. Germans too, in some states closing kindergartens, schools and stopping economies and have problems with Covid idiots, or e.g. ban on staying outdoors without reason.
For some conspiracy theories are closer, ignoring generally established measures or trusting experts who know everything (like e.g. statement of dr.Dobnikar after first wave, saying Covid19 is not deadly disease and just worse fluzmeden).
Easier to point to others (government) than to one's own conscience.
Anyway, stay healthy (with negative result)nasmeh
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guki8. 12. 2020 23:42:33
Primož and vansims, are they also such a problem? Is this person a minority? Do we also look the other way for him all the time, probably he was confused, poor guy.
https://www.slovenskenovice.si/novice/slovenija/zavrsalo-na-druzbenih-omrezjih-vladni-govorec-za-covid-nonsalantno-snel-masko-378971
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felix9. 12. 2020 08:11:17
Yes, piotr, in Bavaria they are tightening measures - limiting movement, schools are open, locals closing at 22:00, shops are open!
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guki9. 12. 2020 08:48:06
Primož's problem is that those who tell us how to behave and say we don't stick to measures don't stick to them themselves. They make fun of us. And this is not the first time and not the first. Krek should shave his beard among the first. Lives are at stake, at least that's what he says. As it seems, the beard is more important.
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ppegan9. 12. 2020 09:03:40
@Hribolaznik, measures are idiotic because they don't work and because of them already 10.000 people have lost jobs. But is that OK? Obviously you don't realize what squeezes people are in because of that. Haven't you heard of compassion? No, of course the easiest is to close your eyes and turn away. If you actually saw the distress of these people, especially kids, then you wouldn't be so loud. My heart breaks when I read stories of people who lost jobs in this time, who see no exit, who don't know how to feed kids, pay bills ... It saddens me how some can be so heartless and without a shred of compassion mrk pogled
Government has no clue what it is doing and groping in the dark, only Počivavšek got it that the thing doesn't work and needs to change strategy. How, of course he doesn't know yet. I understand why measures, as I wrote in one previous post, not against measures even, but let them be sensible or let them work. Just look what happens when cameras at presser with Kacin turn off, how masks immediately fly down. Yeah, how is that, if measures and all must wear them, especially in closed spaces. Hmmm, weird huh zmeden How can we trust what they tell us after what we've seen? How can we trust measures and government if politicians keep breaking them?

@Dragon, I understand you're a JJ supporter as one wants. Yeah, he's a bad man, if you followed media you'd know why. I think no one has shamed us so much till now as him, when he congratulated Trump for victory before results were known, as you know Biden won at the end, foreign media wrote massively about it. Did our wonderful JJ congratulate him for victory? No, of course not, because beneath his dignity. If talking about egoists, no bigger in country than JJ, as evidenced by his tweets and other media posts. But all that forgiven and overlooked? All that shows what kind of man he is. Good definitely not. And he leads the country. Believe me, he doesn't lead it for citizens' benefit or who thinks so lives in a fairytale.
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zokipoki9. 12. 2020 09:12:01
@guki the problem is herd instinct that says - Look, he doesn't follow recommendations, why should I then?!

This recording doesn't move me at all.
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felix9. 12. 2020 09:21:41
Ppegan, I see you're still young and I'm glad about your thinking. If there are many like you, there is still a solution for Slovenia. Sadly, there are many such who see no further than Mahnič. Lp
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Becar9. 12. 2020 10:05:15
Bravo ppegan and felix for thinking with healthy sense and logic. I wish more such people generally in society. Sadly too many cling to stupid and fascist part of measures like drunk to fence and still defend at any price (similar stubbornness as ppegan wrote for Biden congrats). I notice also on this forum gov spokesman, or at least it seems so. Yeah, those people will find it very hard to admit even Potrč was more right than official "experts". All institutions failed completely, supporters badly ridiculed themselves. Now last card shaming Slovenian nation how irresponsible and obviously worse than other nations. But that ends soon too. Shamed will sink into oblivion, responsible for catastrophe may answer in court.
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andi29. 12. 2020 10:18:32
Guys, gals, nice writing. Still, by far the biggest responsibility is still on each individual. Hard for me to write this because I don't believe in 100% masks, terrible for youth and kids, private cops peeking through window of lonely life and lecturing, underage girls in queue at Hofer... In the end we'd be surprised that if people from this debate (Covid, Hribi.net) took power, situation would stay more or less the same. Bit of sense, bit of good people, bit of chance for good measures. I count myself in. Such is our world. Biggest change you make in yourself, some small in family, less at neighbor and practically nothing at fellow citizen and co-citizen. That's why we so love to point finger at culprit, this time invisible one. Stay healthy!
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s7nf9. 12. 2020 11:01:13
@andi2 agree. Even oneself is hard to change.
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zokipoki9. 12. 2020 11:36:52
True, Andrej!
Here human factor of conditioned patterns over which one can't overnight.
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dragon9. 12. 2020 11:44:28
PPegan "Yeah, he's a bad guy, if he followed the media he'd know why too"
Best to follow our "unbiased","objective","truth-loving" media, which are a priori hostile towards JJ (just like you and many others) and then take their reporting as holy truth. Who's naive here?
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dragon9. 12. 2020 12:01:22
And one more thing. I've been going to elections for 25 years, but I've never once voted for the SDS party or JJ. Hard to follow this left-wing paranoia and bashing at every mention of JJ.
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VanSims9. 12. 2020 12:05:03
@primoza: "I've written several times that many behave like immature children. They constantly look at and follow bad examples."

Yeah, that's how we were as kids in kindergarten: "Teacher, he can, but I can't!" nasmeh Exactly as @zokipoki pointed out.

Otherwise, of course from opponents, old crap: measures don't work! But if the left prescribed them, they would? If yes, then some really don't follow them just because Janša prescribed them. And that's childish.

We have similar measures as those countries that have already managed to lower the numbers. It worked for them, not for us. What more proof is needed?

BTW there are also economic and personal sacrifices there. I feel bad too and a few pages back I agreed with you @ppegan on that. But where's the solution then? How would you do it?

We can't afford Swedish measures because only they and a few European countries can due to specific conditions. Like in Korea and Taiwan, strict quarantines, draconian fines for violations, mandatory app? Then there would really be a pogrom against Janša, what a dictator!

@dragon is a Janšist because he supports measures! Here's the core of Slovenia's problem. Even before covid. We constantly ask WHO introduced, proposed, enacted something, instead of WHAT! This proposal is nothing because Janša proposed it! Or the Left! What it was is less important? Then sometimes the opposing side enacts the same, and it's all fine because they are ours!
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ppegan9. 12. 2020 12:19:35
@dragon, you don't need to follow media if you don't find them credible, it's enough to follow his tweets mežikanje Are those also lies and insincere, even though he writes them himself? Did you know he spends 3 hours a day tweeting and retweeting? Wouldn't it be better to spend that time on the epidemic and current measures that actually don't bring desired results, even though they've been in place for over a month. And then we citizens are egoists, hahahahaha zavijanje z očmi
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MitjaBelak9. 12. 2020 12:24:07
There we are, where every debate ends. Either at politics or at whoring, but given opposing views on the latter, it surely won't happen. Pity, at least around it there's laughter. nasmeh
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