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| tol8. 01. 2010 20:44:33 |
Semi-automatic. Will fit winter ones too if you buy them.
Can buy classic too, but if you have semi-auto attachment option it's a shame not to use it
This specific boot fits Cassin C 12 crampons (classic) without problem, only heel part is quite narrow, so maybe look for slightly narrower crampons.
For walking buy 10-point crampons with second two front points more vertical, first two a bit shorter.
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| aljazek8. 01. 2010 22:16:31 |
I got automatic hiking ones as a gift and they go super uphill... I still need to test them 
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| abece8. 01. 2010 22:26:08 |
Are Cassin C 12 also semi-automatic, because on Igluj's site only automatic ones with straps are listed. Can you suggest some other model for this use (easier winter hikes, summer snowfields and glaciers, i.e. hiking?)? Thanks a lot for the valuable help, enjoy!
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| andrejjerina8. 01. 2010 22:34:57 |
http://www.kibuba.com/index.php?&cID=5&scID=36&pID=2606
I have the previous model of the above crampons. They are semi-automatic, because I also have such boots, but I use them on touring ski boots in our mountains and abroad. If you'll need them for classic mountaineering and if you have boots for semi-automatic crampons, make use of that, as "tol" already advised you. Best, Andrej
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| abece8. 01. 2010 22:36:43 |
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| alfaromeo15513. 02. 2010 20:02:41 |
today I bought 6-point crampons from Camp manufacturer and it's a bit weird when you mount them with the strap i.e. from the toe to the heel it feels so unstable do you have any experience how to secure it better
lp
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| heinz14. 02. 2010 10:32:48 |
Sadly these crampons aren't that great. The best 6-pointers are sold at Promontana, but I don't remember their name. And they're cheaper than Camp's.
Regarding tying, there's some in the instructions, otherwise try your own way, e.g.: not from the toe to the heel, but from right side of the toe to left and then forward, or whatever.. "Hot water" can't be discovered anyway.
I advise caution on descents, because of the problem you mention, they sometimes almost come off. The front points are turned so they can fully dig into ice, which means in a hurry it can throw you on your nose and unclip. Of course accidents are possible, so careful!
My rating: poor product.
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| tomas14. 02. 2010 17:35:12 |
Try Ice Track crampons. They're pretty good for short tours and perform well on ice too. Very simple and cover the whole sole. Bye
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| daniel14. 02. 2010 17:41:36 |
I wouldn't recommend these crampons to you for mid-mountains let alone high mountains. Crampons must have 12 points.
Anyway today shops sell all sorts of gear just to sell and they don't know how to advise (except a few recognized shops with alpinist gear, but I wouldn't advertise)
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| heinz15. 02. 2010 11:26:04 |
The fact is, for mid-mountains, and even sometimes for ascent to a 2000m peak, especially with good footwear, we don't always and everywhere need crampons. Stol, Debela peč, Viševnik etc. maybe have just short sections where crampons are recommended, but 6-pointers surely suffice. These are definitely better than some plastic, chains etc. snowshoes. It's clear that for Triglav ascent you need 12-pointers, climbing couloirs and icefalls, which geolog79 practices, but that doesn't represent all winter hikes.
Also to Stol, Ajdna, Kriška gora, Golica, or Dobrča we have to "climb".. For that 6-pointers suffice us too.
For many such and similar hikes (ascents) some even advocate use of less than 12-point crampons.
About terms "mid-mountains" and "high mountains", no need to waste words..
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| viharnik15. 02. 2010 15:02:16 |
Since Heinz has already explained in detail and correctly described, let me just add the following. Crampons are actually used only on terrain where the surface becomes slippery due to freeze and at steeper angles. Conversely, their use can even be annoying and more fatal than helpful. Just good boots and ice axe in hand are enough in hard winter for numerous ascents of easier peaks. For concrete judgment on site, the mountaineer must decide himself based on experience and current snow cover. Most often crampons are really useful only in spring, when thaw and night freeze do their thing.
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| medo*15. 02. 2010 15:09:50 |
Only 12-point crampons in combination with an ice axe provide the safest walking in winter in the mountains!!! Everything else is rubbish 
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| daniel15. 02. 2010 17:06:05 |
As medo said they taught us and I also teach other trainees only 12 point crampons combination with ice axe !!!! Other crampons can be good only for Smarna Gora, Rašica, Krim,....
Otherwise you can get to Triglav even in swimsuits and sandals but how many times is a big question mark...
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| heinz15. 02. 2010 17:59:00 |
Yeah right...
Then go to Roblek in March, when it's also quite icy there in places, with 12-pointers, or without, if you're so "cool"...
I've gone many times without, but sometimes envied those who had 4-pointers.
Personally I'm even convinced that many don't know how to walk with twelves at all..
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| heinz15. 02. 2010 18:06:36 |
Or Daniel, you would recommend to everyone e.g. for Stol only 12-pointers, because everything else is "rubbish".
Hey, ... those who don't have 12s, or don't know how to use them, will probably go without according to your explanation. Well, that's no longer OK advice.
Pontificating in this regard is not OK!
(Humar said: whoever bullshits, pays for it..(expensive)).
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| daniel15. 02. 2010 18:53:57 |
It is recommended to go to some COURSE ON MOVEMENT IN WINTER CONDITIONS which are organized by mountaineering societies, there they will learn everything about equipment, movement, have demo with use of crampons, ice axe, helmet... where then they can visit mountains through the society.
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| heinz15. 02. 2010 19:23:52 |
And that's then DIKTAT?
DON'T tell me, because I'm too old for such stuff, some of us know that even those less than 12-point crampons have their sensible purpose, which is not just commercial.
If it were like you say, then they would produce (also in the past when they only knew 4-point), only twelves.
What if they decided for even more? E.g. 24 or 48??
That would be even "better" than your all-generalized idea.
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| JusAvgustin15. 02. 2010 20:26:26 |
I fully agree with Heinz, everyone should have what suits them, manufacturers didn't make 4- or 6-point crampons just to profit from us, I'm convinced they serve their purpose... I'd also add that an accident can happen both in the so-called mid-mountains and high mountains (especially in winter); don't underestimate winter conditions, as the situation can change in a moment. For what I practice, I use exclusively climbing crampons.
Lp
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| medo*15. 02. 2010 20:35:00 |
Development goes forward and 12 points have proven optimal. Six-point crampons have no front points, so they are suitable only for walking on flat ground, conditionally also for walking downhill when descending on heels. For ascending they are useless. The question that arises here is: where is that slope limit (for which hills) where 6 points are still usable and where 12 points should be used, it's hard to say. E.g. lower Raduha or Viševnik are not steep, but below the summit it can be quite steep in hard snow for slipping. Also snow can be softened lower down, higher up or in shady, north-facing aspects hard!? There are many borderline / risky factors and therefore I think it's fair to tell those who are buying crampons for the first time or are beginners in winter ascents (or what Urshy asked at the beginning of this thread), the safest option. It is true, though, that one has to learn to walk with crampons, otherwise they can be just as dangerous for falling if we trip on them or they catch on gaiters.
Opinions on the forum can be generalized, interesting as a supplement, as individuals' experiences,... best is to go to a winter course, where experts explain how and what, as Daniel suggests.
However, even a course is not enough. Arresting with ice axe and crampons needs to be practiced over and over on safe runouts (e.g. hills on Komna), because such arresting is not in line with our instinctive reflex when we want to stop on all fours, but we need to lift legs with crampons into the air, otherwise it flips us over the back and we start tumbling.
Maybe it will seem to someone that I'm exaggerating, but one has to ask also how much life is worth to us, so I don't think it's superfluous to carry a few more crampon points with us. Usually I don't participate in discussions, but here it got me fired up. No hard feelings, good to hear more opinions. Lpp, Medo 
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