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igorf15. 02. 2010 21:24:47
Does anyone know where crampons Verige Lesce: Ice Track can be bought?
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heinz15. 02. 2010 21:32:42
Don't buy that, because those are no crampons for mountains! Get at least 6-p.
No hard feelings! (And they won't be much more expensive)
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Lj15. 02. 2010 21:34:23
I bought Ice Track last year at Jarški dom on Velika Planina, this year I saw that they sell them at AMZS.
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igorf15. 02. 2010 21:47:59
No worries, I won't hold it against you, thanks to everyone for all the recommendations.
Let me explain my "view" as well: I have all the necessary gear for winter ascents, from 12-tooth (steel) crampons onwards. But when I reach especially towards the end of winter some hut (e.g. Kališče, etc.), I pack the crampons in the backpack and descend the trodden and icy trail to the valley jumping left-right because it slips, which I envy some who with such crampons nicely slowly and carefree step down. And so I decided to get also these "reserve" crampons - specifically.
LP
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tol15. 02. 2010 21:56:37
http://www.trgovina-frama.si/sl/Dereze_za_sneg_in_led/Dereze_za_led-ICE_TRACK/

if the shop isn't close to you, then find another. Use najdi.si or gogle.com
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heinz15. 02. 2010 22:00:00
These things for the mountains simply shouldn't be advertised!
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Zalas15. 02. 2010 22:07:53
Well, you can surely get such chains at Mrzlica for 30 euros!
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Zalas15. 02. 2010 22:09:39
For mid-mountains they are just right! For high mountains still best to get real crampons!
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serajko15. 02. 2010 22:21:59
igrof
check private messages

lp
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JusAvgustin16. 02. 2010 08:46:15
for walks they are good, for anything else I completely advise against them:
1. not suitable for steep slopes
2. teeth are short
3. rubber can tear under load
4. large snowballs form
5. I didn't have a good feeling in them (stability, trust in crampons...)
don't know why you promote city crampons limited exclusively to icy sidewalks and roads as aid for hiking in mountains?!
this is just my opinion, some will heed it, some not. up to you how you decide.nasmeh
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rjudnic16. 02. 2010 10:52:57
Anyone have experience with these crampons:

http://www.kibuba.com/index.php?&cID=5&scID=36&pID=2605

They seem fairly cheap. First I thought of buying 6-tooth ones, then I saw that if I add a bit more I get 12-tooth ones. Would use them for Stol, Debela Peč and similar.
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lučo16. 02. 2010 10:58:12
My climbing buddy has them and is satisfied with them! lp
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JusAvgustin16. 02. 2010 11:05:29
quite decent crampons, here on the forum they praise them a lot. if you add a bit more you get good crampons already. cassin, camp, bd...
but for what you'll need them those are super.
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sergejjj7. 02. 2012 12:47:09
http://www.iglusport.si/?mod=store&action=viewProduct&action_id=14520&language=sl

I'm wondering if the shown crampons are suitable also for classic winter ascents or should be used only for ice climbing. Thanks.
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Zebdi7. 02. 2012 13:29:22
These are basically climbing crampons, but usable for walking too. If you're looking for hiking crampons, it might be worth checking these. If nothing else, they are much cheaper. Horizontally positioned front teeth should also cut the snow surface less - how true that is, I have no idea. I only have climbing crampons, and they are just fine for me.
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AT8. 02. 2012 16:37:11
I use crampons as Zebdi mentioned and they are praiseworthy (quality, price, usability)
definitely recommend.
Climbing Technology Nuptse1
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sodnick8. 02. 2012 21:27:51
Does anyone know what the difference is between

Grivel G12
http://www.kibuba.com/index.php?&cID=5&scID=36&pID=5408

and

Grivel Air Tech.
http://www.kibuba.com/index.php?&cID=5&scID=36&pID=5411

Both are semi-automatic, price is different. They look quite similar too.

Thanks and LP
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Zebdi8. 02. 2012 22:35:37
I wouldn't complicate it too much here and would take the cheaper ones. The differences are, as you said, minimal and I bet you won't notice them in use.

More info on manufacturer's pages: Air Tech and G12

Best,
P.

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Bgrega9. 02. 2012 07:17:47
Difference is in weight, shape and position of the second pair of teeth. On G12 they are positioned more forward and more angled which helps mainly in ice climbing. If you won't do that, then it's not important.
You can get them here too:
http://www.bivak.si/a/c52/137_Dereze-G12
http://www.bivak.si/a/c52/136_Dereze-Air-Tech
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sodnick9. 02. 2012 08:37:16
Thanks for the reply. I would use them for walking, maybe some gully here and there. No intention to climb.
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