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| ljubitelj gora7. 10. 2011 20:16:07 |
JusAvgustin
I don't know where the problem is again, we should try sometime, some MM or Vrtača...
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| JusAvgustin7. 10. 2011 20:19:41 |
good thing there's an edit function right?
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| keber17. 10. 2011 21:10:43 |
I'm saying, don't take ljubitelj's misleading statements seriously, the guy has no clue about winter mountains, let alone winter gear. I've never been wet on any winter tour except from my own sweat. Good clothes are crucial, especially if weather turns quickly (here I can't forget the sudden heavy snow showers I experienced last year mid-May on Stol, without good gear it wouldn't have ended well).
And one more thing about the claim that you don't need crampons for Debelo peč if conditions are good. How the hell do you know before setting off if conditions are good?
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| vulpes7. 10. 2011 22:19:24 |
I'm interested in which shops you'd recommend for buying a windbreaker?
So far I only know Kibuba and Iglusport. So far I had a Mambo windbreaker and was very satisfied with the purchase. But this one too started leaking and it's slowly ready for retirement. 
Sadly they don't make windbreakers anymore.
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| keber17. 10. 2011 23:01:22 |
You also have Promontana, Pohodnik, Anapurna, and a few more. Anyway, it's about the gear, not the shop selling it. Basically it holds that the more you pay, the better you get (there are exceptions of course).
So various Hervis etc. sales of softshells for 40 euros won't bring the best results.
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| vulpes8. 10. 2011 09:40:01 |
Aha, thanks. Yeah, I really wouldn't buy such things in Hervis. Once I looked at a windbreaker there and it put me off completely, because it was really poorly made. What I hate most is that the collar doesn't stay upright well. Because then it pulls in from all possible gaps. That's why my previous windbreaker was so good. When I zipped it to the top it stayed like it should.
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| Zebdi8. 10. 2011 11:33:18 |
I wouldn't write off Hervis and similar shops so quickly. A few years ago I bought a windstopper vest in Interspar, which still serves me excellently today. Price? Back then 4000 tolars  Friend bought a super jacket in Decathlon (chain of sports shops in Italy, France...) for little money.. maybe the material is a bit stiffer than top Goretex, but the thing serves its purpose.
Uh, Raga.. I already looked at it, but it's too warm for hiking for me. For icefalls it could be the mother
@MajaO: I did some shots with it, yeah. Seems quite solid to me... otherwise check tests on www.photozone.de. In mountains I usually have Sigma 10-20 on anyway, and it's 
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| Keko8. 10. 2011 13:08:06 |
I also wouldn't just write off Hervis, since their supplier among others is Iglu, which stocks them with mountaineering gear. But that gear is appropriately expensive in Hervis too, harder to find the right sizes, even harder to get some more expert advice. But if you know what you're buying, it's worth a look.
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| GregorC8. 10. 2011 13:25:07 |
I've also bought quite a few things in Hervis especially when there's a discount or we buy several by the 3for2 system. Sometimes you get through cheaper with some product. But no expert advice yeah. And choice in technical gear isn't that big either.
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| vulpes8. 10. 2011 13:26:40 |
@JusAvgustin: Exactly because of such a big offer I'm asking around. To find out as much as possible also from others' experiences. I'm the type who studies the thing well before getting it.
Well, regarding Hervis I didn't like some windbreakers (I think last season). For other things I wouldn't know. As I say, that's why I'm up here too, to get info on as many things as possible. So there won't be any unwanted surprises later.
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| Santi8. 10. 2011 16:13:27 |
I'd just comment on one thing, namely crampons yes or no and when, I don't wanna act smart, far from it. Worries me when the debate starts going in this direction like here. Mainly interests me where "some experts...(you know who I mean, hope no one gets offended unnecessarily)" train walking with crampons. Hope not just spontaneously on demanding terrain you stumble upon during a tour. Nothing wrong with putting crampons on easy terrain and walking with them to get a feel for walking, whether on a little hill behind the house or on easier approaches where the "full experienced" might mock you. Of course smart to take ice axe too and do maneuvers you see e.g. on Mr. Belet's course. You won't train that there, you'll get just the needed info, rest is up to you...
Mountain lover, good you're fermenting nonsense, so it won't occur to me to ever take you, cuz I'm a good soul and often take folks somewhere. Also e.g. Višarski graben can be a b*tch sometimes.
Gotta realize too that descents are way more demanding than ascents, and you're barely halfway.
Wish you lots of nice winter tours, especially safe return to loved ones by the warm stove, whatever paths you'll take.
Hope I didn't stray too much from topic and didn't bore ya, seen plenty in the hills, summer and winter...
Safe steps to all.
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| JusAvgustin8. 10. 2011 16:47:23 |
In rare cases there's a makeup exam on winter tour, so be careful choosing gear and clothes, cuz once you're exposed to frostbite and agony you won't wanna go on winter tour anymore, probably not mountains in general. But as some know, mountains are most beautiful when dressed in white icy armor. Anyway santi recommends at least beginner mountaineering course in winter conditions for easier tours before doing winter mountaineering solo, next step is course for more demanding winter tours... plus advise to go with someone experienced who knows what he's doing, he'll teach you lots and encourage learning. Don't go to demanding mountains in winter alone. Santi knows how it's done, we've been on many winter tours together, even climbing ones. Together we've seen situations that didn't end well.
But the following is true: whoever brews nonsense about things about which, no offense, has no clue, gives advice to an alpinist on gear and conditions, such a one I'd take with reserve and certain distance. That person with their "expert" advice endangers themselves and others. Just to write something to boost visibility. Fact is tons already written on gear and clothes, just need to search back in the forum. For all questions I'm always available on ZS, and always reply to everyone. Otherwise such peace in the mountains in winter... it'd be a shame not to experience it.
Regards!
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| IgorZlodej8. 10. 2011 17:01:45 |
@Don't go to demanding mountains in winter alone.
Juš, please explain this a bit.
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| JusAvgustin8. 10. 2011 17:23:30 |
I think you really don't need that explanation
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| Marky8. 10. 2011 21:25:09 |
Thanks all for answers.. You really helped me and I agree with all. Once you head up there in winter, better be overprepared than underprepared Hmm.. what winter hikes? Pretty concrete.. over 2000m asl...
Gotta check stores a bit, what they offer and for what money. Unfortunately in MB only Terra sport and Iglu (if there's more, pls tell) so probably Terra, cheaper and seems same quality.
Oh, any special thing to watch for when buying boots, pants and jacket (talking winter ascents)?
#MajaO: I've had Nikon 50mm 1.4 for about half a year and very satisfied with it. Hesitated long whether to get it or not, but now no regret at all.
True Sigma supposedly better optics, but I swear by "original" if I can say so. Why would you need 50mm, if no secret? I use it mostly in bad light and serves great.
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| marta.m8. 10. 2011 21:45:52 |
in MB there's also Kibuba
regards
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