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| marinc1. 07. 2015 12:48:35 |
The Italian one is nothing special. lp
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| fpetel11. 07. 2015 13:13:56 |
The Italian is demanding, Slovenian is very demanding, Via Italiana is extremely demanding - check descriptions! So Italian is high alpine path without major technical difficulties - except snowfields in early summer. Lp..Franci
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| panda1. 07. 2015 15:29:31 |
For vertigo sufferers the Italian route is not problematic.
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| Canonka1. 07. 2015 21:55:31 |
What about technically demanding, scree fields etc.?
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| jax1. 07. 2015 22:52:32 |
Not technically demanding (some chains there, meant more for those in flip-flops), scree under wall yes, but no problem. If anything nicer for descent.
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| SunBurned1. 07. 2015 22:53:48 |
Canonka, the Italian one is a walk, a few times you grab the chain for a better feeling, but there are no seriously crumbling sections where you could "slip away". Scenic hiking path, just boldly.
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| grdksmrt1. 07. 2015 23:48:01 |
On Sunday we walked with the group Via Italiana, Slovenian and Italian route. Via Italiana in my opinion doesn't reach the extremely difficult label. What should be so extremely demanding on this path? The path is well protected and technically not demanding since there are tons of pegs and also bolts. Arm strength on this path isn't important as there's no problematic section where the path is 'overhanging'. The only thing I'd highlight on this path are the exceptional passages, which are quite exposed, but very well secured. Technically the Slovenian route seems more difficult to me especially if there's an awkward person ahead who walks on scree instead of rock and constantly loosens terrain and triggers stones.
Ahead of me I had a young and scared newbie, who didn't make three steps without triggering at least one stone. On such a path I think it's important to watch where and how we step. Sometimes you just need to put in a bit of effort for others' safety. For descent we chose Italian route as it's really technically easy and offers beautiful views. On this path though you see more than you'd want... e.g. first time in high mountains I saw ballerina shoes. A bit lower it was fun on the snow patch as one couple in sneakers was more on their butt than on their feet. After a few meters the girl finally reached scree but even there she rubbed her butt more than the sneakers
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| panda2. 07. 2015 07:20:35 |
Name "Extremely difficult" in my opinion because it's quite exposed (at least that part to the saddle horizontally and vertically up to the exit). Definitely the tour isn't for everyone, but in my opinion easier than the tour to Vevnica (Via dela Vita). I tried both five years ago.
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| buda12. 07. 2015 08:56:16 |
Categories of mountain trails
Categorization of mountain trails divides them by difficulty into three groups: EASY, DEMANDING and VERY DEMANDING trails. It is intended for the wide mountaineering public so that hikers can already when planning the route choose the ascent and descent direction and adapt it to their mountaineering knowledge, fitness and equipment. Demanding and very demanding trails are marked at the start next to the usual sign showing direction and walking time with an additional sign warning about the difficulty of the trail. All these tasks are performed by the Trails Commission at PZS with the aim of reducing the number of accidents in the mountains.
The category of mountain trails applies only to the summer season and good weather conditions. Winter and bad weather conditions greatly change the difficulty of the trail.
On some mountaineering maps trails are marked differently according to their difficulty. Thus easy trails are marked with continuous line, demanding dashed and very demanding dotted on sections where a trail is demanding or very demanding.
EASY TRAIL is a trail where you don't need to use hands while walking. When such a trail crosses a steep slope it is wide enough to allow safe walking also for less experienced hikers. It requires only caution and fitness from them. There are 87.2% easy trails in Slovenia.
Examples of easy trails: Koča pri Savici - Dom na Komni, Dom v Kamniški Bistrici - Kamniško sedlo, Dom na Sviščakih - Snežnik.
On signs at starting points easy trail is not specially marked!
DEMANDING TRAIL leads over more difficult spots where for safety we assist with hands. Possible safety devices are intended for hiker's safety and are not necessarily needed to overcome difficult spots. There are 7.7% demanding trails in Slovenia.
Examples of demanding trails: Koča pri Savici - Črno jezero over Komarča, Dom na Kališču - Storžič, Kocbekov dom na Korošici - Ojstrica.
At the starting point of such trails there is a warning on the sign: DEMANDING TRAIL
VERY DEMANDING TRAIL is the one where use of hands while walking is necessary. Safety devices allow passage of difficult spots where otherwise rope belaying would be needed. For walking such a trail one should use self-belay kit and helmet. Often an ice axe is needed on such trail, sometimes even crampons. It is suitable only for well-trained and physically fit hikers. Not suitable for people with vertigo. It is recommended to go with a mountain guide or someone who knows the trail well. There are 5.1% very demanding trails in Slovenia.
Examples of very demanding trail: Tominšek trail from Vrata to Triglav, Jesenice trail to Prisojnik, Kremžar trail to Kočna.
At the starting point of such trails there is a warning on the sign: VERY DEMANDING TRAIL
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| panda2. 07. 2015 09:38:03 |
According to Stritar in our Julians: extremely demanding path (Via dela Vita to Vevnica, ferrata Via Italiana to Mangart).
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| redbull2. 07. 2015 09:58:31 |
So you won't graduate
Via della vito puts it in the same class as vio Italiano, which is not good. At first you'll be able to climb pretty well in the initial chimney without protection, if you want to reach the first chain! Many turn back there, afterwards it's not hard, but it is true that it's exposed at moments.
good luck
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| dprapr2. 07. 2015 10:39:00 |
Well, the approach and descent also play an important role at Via della Viti!
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| panda2. 07. 2015 10:39:53 |
Dejan: you didn't read my comment well. I wrote that Via dela vita is harder than the ferrata on Mangart (my personal opinion), I've tried both. I summarized the difficulty according to Stritar, and on this portal the difficulty mark is the same: extremely demanding path.
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| redbull2. 07. 2015 10:58:50 |
Then we're of the same opinion. Probably according to Stritar the initial part at dela Viti was still well protected, that's why he put them in the same class.
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| redbull2. 07. 2015 10:59:49 |
Then we're of the same opinion. Probably according to Stritar the initial part at dela Viti was still well protected, that's why he put them in the same class.
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| bagi2. 07. 2015 12:06:54 |
The entrance chimney was never really well protected. Italians make a selection this way before mass visits by too inexperienced people. Sometimes there was a loose rope on the left side of the chimney which allowed you to somehow haul yourself over the rocky ledge using considerable arm strength. It hasn't been like that for several years now so the entrance is even a bit more difficult.
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| Hribolaznik2. 07. 2015 15:59:01 |
I apologize, but I see some are mixing terms. Dear @grdksmrt and others who haven't gone to Mangart yet or have been there only once: routes to the summit are basically just two: Slovenian and Italian. Here I'd focus on the Italian route. As the name suggests, this route starts in Italy, at Belopeška Lakes (Laghi di Fusine). The section from Bivacco Nogare to Mangart Saddle is here (justifiably) marked as EXTREMELY DEMANDING, as it goes vertically up one of the most beautiful and longest walls in the Julians. The Italian route section from Mangart Saddle to the summit can be marked as PARTLY DEMANDING, but also here watch for falling rocks (helmet mandatory).
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| ljubitelj gora2. 07. 2015 16:11:42 |
The ferrata on Mangart goes along this vertical wall.
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| Hribolaznik2. 07. 2015 16:15:41 |
The Italian route to Mangart (which is VERY long, around 6 hours to the summit) can be appropriately shortened. The nicest way to shorten is to descend from the saddle to Bivacco Nogare (30 min) and climb only the hardest part.
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| zdomec2. 07. 2015 16:37:41 |
Routes Via dela Vita and Via Italiana are really EXTREMELY DEMANDING and not for everyone. Besides physical fitness a particularly strong mental readiness is needed. These routes were not made just so. They were made OUT OF NECESSITY. Due to the strict border regime in former Yugoslavia, Italians had no direct access to Mangart and Vevnica, since they weren't allowed to cross the border they made these two ferratas. Especially Via Italiana on Mangart is problematic. If all protections were removed from this route it would be a climbing route about fifth grade. (S. Klinar)
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