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| Janez Seliškar2. 09. 2020 13:12:33 |
Forget about the Mangart summit on Saturday!
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| PV2. 09. 2020 13:42:21 |
@JanezSeliškar: maybe an explanation of the advice...
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| One Mic2. 09. 2020 14:10:31 |
@JanezSeliškar: no problem, thanks for the advice. Could you please write why you so strongly advise against it? What's the problem? Is there avalanche risk? I really don't know and I'll gladly listen to sensible advice.. just please let someone write what will be so inappropriate for this trip on Saturday.
Thanks, lp
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| Janez Seliškar2. 09. 2020 14:22:21 |
When you doubt the suitability for doing the tour, just choose a more pleasant option.
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| bbugari12. 09. 2020 14:31:45 |
On this forum it's obviously not possible to give a normal answer to a normal question... Everyone is a big hotshot. 
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| 5Xum2. 09. 2020 14:36:47 |
@JanezSeliškar when you doubt the suitability of conditions for the tour, first inquire about the conditions. Good information can indeed dispel doubts.
Of course it's not useful if instead someone just lectures you to "forget" this or that peak, without backing the advice with reasons.
@OneMic the problem is that above 2500 meters on Monday 10cm of snow fell, which is melting quite slowly. No avalanche danger with such a small amount of snow, but high risk of slipping, as rocks even where not covered by snow are wet. Snow also (for so early autumn) melts very slowly, mainly because mountains are currently wrapped in fog. How much snow will remain by Saturday is still a big question (sun is still relatively strong, so one sunny afternoon could do a lot), but almost certainly won't melt it all, especially not in the gully on the Slovenian path.
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| One Mic2. 09. 2020 14:51:16 |
@JanezSeliškar: Usually I don't get into pointless discussions with internet strangers, but I really didn't expect such a dumb reply. 
No one said I doubt anything, I've been to Mangart many times, usually via Italiana from Fusine Lakes. But I don't know what's wrong with checking conditions first, because I really wouldn't push somewhere if conditions aren't right, especially with the news of a difficult hiker rescue recently.
If you have something smart to say I'll be very glad (I think that's the main purpose of this forum - exchange of useful info), if not, no need to reply for my sake, as you don't contribute anything positive to the debate. If you still feel a strong need to write nonsense, we can agree you do, but start with "warning, idiot at keyboard" so I don't waste time reading to the end.
Nice day
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| One Mic2. 09. 2020 15:08:06 |
@5Xum: many thanks for this reply - glad not everyone on this forum is like Mr. Seliškar
Slovenian route is out for us then, I'll think a bit more about the Italian one.
Regards
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| nejcf2. 09. 2020 15:14:11 |
I don't remember when @Janez Seliškar last gave advice that was actually helpful to anyone. Recently he was also full of wisdom on the forum for the path over Komar. Some just think they are no. 1 alpinists in Slovenia, all others regardless of age are dummies who just wander and bother in the mountains. If you don't know the conditions at all, just don't comment, probably someone else will.
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| PivičkoNaKoči2. 09. 2020 17:56:21 |
Best to call the hut one day before and ask about conditions. I do that myself at this time when it's hard to predict the state in a few days.
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| dprapr2. 09. 2020 18:53:51 |
Janez has quite rightly told you.
Those who need all details about conditions, better not go up there at all. Especially now, as the summer season in the mountains is ending.
With such questions one gets the feeling that they want to shift responsibility to the one providing info about conditions.
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| jax2. 09. 2020 20:51:06 |
Those who need all details about conditions, better not go up there at all. Especially now, when the summer season in the mountains is ending.
First, the problem is that crowds of unprepared people go to the mountains.
Second, the problem is that someone wants to inquire about the tour they're heading to.
Let's decide once and for all. That a person wants to inquire about conditions is only and solely positive.
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| blixabargeld3. 09. 2020 08:15:07 |
Some of you are really kings. You reply to the guy so loftily as if he asked if he can avoid rocks on the way to Mangart. Well, some snow fell recently, weather is changeable, so you don't know how fast it melts, plus this mountain girl spiced up the situation right on Mangart. As Jax wrote, you're never pleased, whether a person asks or goes blindly into the mountains.
Subtitles: of course in reality nothing ever pleases you, because you're not satisfied with yourselves, so you vent frustrations where you think you're superior. Newsflash: just because you manage better in the mountain world, the mountains don't belong to you any more.
Safe steps to all.
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| ppegan3. 09. 2020 08:45:51 |
@blixabargeld I sign under your comment, couldn't have written it better 
I just add, if you don't know exactly what the conditions are and still decide to go on the desired demanding tour, but then on the spot see it's no-go or exceeds your abilities, you just turn around, that should really be clear to everyone. The mountain waits (even for better weather)
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| seljak3. 09. 2020 10:34:49 |
@One mic
Mr. Seliškar gave you advice, but in thanks you act offended because he didn't reply in the way you demanded. Who's the fool here?
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| pantani13. 09. 2020 10:40:07 |
"peasant", go mow the grass!
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| turbo3. 09. 2020 12:02:59 |
Trail condition
If you don't go, you don't know  If it doesn't go, you turn back before it goes wrong
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| 5Xum3. 09. 2020 13:04:10 |
@seljak no, Mr. Seliškar didn't give advice. Mr. Seliškar pontificated loftily, and on top of that with a somewhat silly "wisdom".
Really, I rarely read anything so stupid as the statement "When you doubt the suitability for doing the tour, just choose a more pleasant variant."
If I decided not to go to the mountains every time I had any doubt about the feasibility of the tour, I'd be home 365 days a year. Doubt is a logical consequence of incomplete information, and since (except for some all-knowing members of this forum) NOBODY has complete information, every normal person has at least a tiny bit of doubt about its feasibility before the tour. And now what? Do we turn to fellow hikers to increase the quality of the information available to us with their help to some acceptable level?
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| coffee3. 09. 2020 13:25:33 |
Umm, I think this is about a specific weather situation.
If One Mic is able to go on a tour where the rock might be dry/wet/covered with a thin layer of rotten snow, then no need to ask specifically.
But if he's not capable of that, then it's better to pick something less technically demanding and exposed depending on the conditions or turn back if the path is beyond his experience.
I agree though that it would be better to give clear answers.
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| Urbban3. 09. 2020 13:34:05 |
I'll pontificate a bit myself. Indeed Mr. Seliškar's response was a bit rough and could have been friendlier, but I still sign under it.
Let the super-know-it-alls who fit the description "I'm experienced enough, just asking about conditions" explain to me how the hell you use winter gear in first snow, 5 cm powder on rock base? Whoever asks such questions has no business in the high mountains in the post-summer season. That's why (rough) J. Seliškar's answer "holds water".
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