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| megalodon14. 05. 2014 08:17:07 |
Ah, those half-quotes 
then Jesus says to the woman ... go and sin no more! 
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| gorolazka14. 05. 2014 08:22:00 |
If the cross was meant for climbing there would be holds on it.
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| ibex14. 05. 2014 08:24:56 |
If I were admin I think I'd delete the last twenty posts, this is a site about hills. Woman climbed on cross, big deal let's lynch her  ... for such stupidities open a thread on some forum and kill each other there. Here write about nature, mountains, hills, slopes, conditions...
hang in there Kaja 
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| pelican14. 05. 2014 08:40:00 |
dprapr signature.
Viharnik, if you've had some enlightenment in India, no need to sell it here
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| martin414. 05. 2014 08:49:52 |
And these are talks about conditions in the mountains?
regards
m4
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| Žiga2214. 05. 2014 09:11:55 |
Whenever some irregularities in behavior and conduct in the mountains appear and users (justly) start warning and criticizing, there's always folk who would sweep it all under the rug and act like it doesn't concern them.
All who go to mountains for years know there's increasingly serious deviations in ethics and respect for mountains - if we do nothing about it (=act ignorant and superior, saying everyone do what they want), THE SITUATION WILL ONLY GET WORSE!!!
Usually the most offended are those who do such stupidities, filth and cockiness themselves! If someone is offended by the above, they'll just confirm they fit the description.
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| magroman14. 05. 2014 11:33:01 |
The forum was really made for writing about other things. Still I have to note that the offended are only advocates of one of the world's bigger idiocies - Christian faith and its church, which tells such people how to live but does the opposite itself. lp R.
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| Žiga2214. 05. 2014 11:38:12 |
@magroman
I'm not Catholic, even less Christian. Still you must realize that the Christian church plays one of the biggest factors and preservers of cultural heritage in our space.
Don't forget Jakob Aljaž was a priest. In general huge number of mountaineers and intellectuals responsible for events and development of mountaineering here come from the Catholic church.
Enough about that, this isn't a church topic but about Storžič.
I suggest making a thread about crosses on summits. If we have one about partisan markers.
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| redbull14. 05. 2014 11:42:01 |
magroman, who are you to spout nonsense here.
i'm advocate of christian faith and have nothing against climbing on the cross. quite the opposite.
regards
D
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| tinky14. 05. 2014 12:26:19 |
redbull you too damage bivouacs with crampons.
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| Žiga2214. 05. 2014 13:29:18 |
Those whining about conditions - look out the window! Most reliable.
Second, check ARSO website.
Third, go see yourselves and check firsthand. Turning back means nothing bad. Picking info from forums like this is least reliable.
Get it once that forum is for all kinds of debates - be it mountain markers, crosses, (in)appropriate behavior or conditions on the path.
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| redbull14. 05. 2014 13:39:00 |
no problem tinky or. vinko sometime, i'll come to your living room in them, so you'll be happy
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| Mako14. 05. 2014 13:44:17 |
Žiga22: "Don't forget that Jakob Aljaž was a priest."
Aljaž put a cross on top of Triglav. Get it?
Food for thought.
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| Bojan_A14. 05. 2014 13:45:35 |
In principle I don't descend to the level of debate of some users on this forum. But I just want to say that we're sorry if we hurt anyone (in a religious way). The intention wasn't that, take it as you want. The cross is still exactly as it was before.
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| SamoK14. 05. 2014 13:49:58 |
Hey, can we find out who actually puts up these crosses everywhere they feel like it, and with what and whose permission?
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| Žiga2214. 05. 2014 13:52:19 |
@Mako
I referred to magroman's statement that "Christian faith is idiocy". In contrast we must know that priests have done a lot for Slovenian mountaineering, with crosses or without them.
Don't take things out of context and don't attribute to me things I didn't say!!!
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| Mako14. 05. 2014 14:21:21 |
@Žiga22
OK, if you take Aljaž as example, then you (presume) agree that crosses don't belong on summits.
What I quoted you on, you actually wrote. You mention Aljaž in the context of the deserving. I fully agree with that. And Aljaž was obviously an intellectual, he went beyond religion and didn't let a cross be put on Triglav summit.
About the statement "Christian faith is idiocy". Matter of democracy. Some think so, some are neutral, others think the opposite. As long as you can argue and not just spit, it's fine.
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| Žiga2214. 05. 2014 14:26:23 |
I agree, crosses don't belong on summits (while we're at it, lots of drilled/fixed/screwed stuff doesn't belong in the mountains - but that's just my opinion). Why they put them there is a matter of other times.
And a little more about the cross on Škrlatica, why and especially WHO put it up: http://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/88727/
Obviously the world isn't black and white, huh?
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| Mako14. 05. 2014 14:41:11 |
@Žiga22
There was no cross on Storžič a good decade ago. Same goes for Škrlatica.
What was there a good half century ago (cross both on Storžič and Škrlatica), that's history.
In our time it's a fact that the cross is not a symbol of unity. Why was it necessary to put them up again at all.
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| redbull14. 05. 2014 14:50:18 |
probably so you two can wag your tongues here
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