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| Trobec4. 09. 2020 19:07:57 |
@redbull, Lunatrixz actually gave some sensible advice  I agree, we learn from mistakes. But I think if we learn from our own mistake, there's no need to look down (or reply like that) on people who "haven't" learned it yet and maybe ask something like that. Isn't it better to answer than let them repeat the mistake to learn?
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| Kawasaki9. 09. 2020 09:38:45 |
Opinion Špik vs Škrlatica? Škrlatica much harder?
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| Janez Seliškar9. 09. 2020 09:52:52 |
Technically harder and longer than Špik.
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| lijaneja9. 09. 2020 14:14:05 |
Špik 1.50, Škrlatica 2.40. (times 2 or 3, depending on fitness)
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| ppegan9. 09. 2020 17:08:42 |
But one needs to state times to know who's strongest, even when asking about difficulty  Or am I just weird because I go to mountains for pleasure, not speed records 
Škrlatica is harder, as it has more "climbing" parts too, which are quite sparsely secured compared to other secured paths here and given that it's our 2nd highest peak, which surprised me most (e.g. Triglav is iron mountain vs Škrlatica). I sweated buckets on Špik too, took almost 5 hrs. Don't want anyone thinking we're all that fast and fall into depression because of it 
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| redbull9. 09. 2020 17:35:32 |
You forgot to mention that some enjoy stepping a bit faster too
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| turbo9. 09. 2020 18:25:41 |
When I read lijaneja's times, I can only scratch my head And when redbull writes that some enjoy stepping a bit faster, it squeezes me when I try to imagine what "a bit faster" means
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| dprapr9. 09. 2020 19:06:50 |
On both, the larger part is strenuous and monotonous walking. They become interesting only in the upper part. Škrlatica a bit more. Also regarding difficulty.
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| ppegan9. 09. 2020 19:21:58 |
Dejan, and that's right, as it suits everyone, for me you can even sprint, not just step a bit faster But lijaneja's reply has nothing to do with path difficulty and Kawasaki's question, it's just self-praise. Or if I'm not that fast, better not go to mountains at all even if I reach every peak within estimated time??
I sign under both other comments. And let me add that to me these two paths due to monotony weren't sympathetic at all. Good luck
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| JusAvgustin9. 09. 2020 20:20:38 |
Yes, a more interesting approach to Škrlatica is for example from Veliki Oltar
Joking aside folks. Hurry slowly. With this thought I want to tell you time doesn't matter. Safe return to valley without our permanent departures from home matters.
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| ppegan10. 09. 2020 07:26:31 |
Juš, exactly so, hurry slowly or hurry safely And hats off for all your effort, dedication and time, you guys are really super
Primož, why does slowness link to risk? If you go slowly and safely at a constant pace, what's the problem (except the night catches you if you're so slow)?
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| jax10. 09. 2020 07:48:25 |
Longer tour time, greater exposure e.g. to afternoon weather changes. Longer full concentration is needed. More chance the night catches you. Also, on demanding path parts it means longer exposure to objective dangers (e.g. falling rocks). Don't you agree?
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| ppegan10. 09. 2020 10:22:57 |
Hmmm, I admit I didn't even think of that  OK, where you know it's a bit more dangerous, yeah, hurry up, don't have a picnic under the wall where rocks fly down And if you know there will be afternoon storms, leave home earlier or pick a shorter tour. I don't know, I never had issues (knock on wood), true I'm not fuuul slow, but always in estimated time or earlier (how much earlier depends on feeling), and study the tour and weather to zero or as much as possible. Always have in head that the summit is only halfway and 80% of accidents happen on descent, so go carefully up and down Good luck.
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| dprapr10. 09. 2020 10:36:43 |
It's like that, "fast and slow" times upset many. They don't bother me, neither one nor the other.
But it can happen that you're at the wrong time in the wrong place. Sometimes too fast, sometimes too late. That's how simple it is.
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| turbo10. 09. 2020 11:21:42 |
Nothing wrong with speed. As long as you don't overtake yourself, which happens
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| Lukito10. 09. 2020 11:32:17 |
Since we're on Škrlatica and speeds, I'll add a bit to the adventure from a few weeks ago.
We hiked so that two expedition members went faster - as we usually do, my friend and I a bit slower. Still always with stops below marked times. The day was also very hot, so what rarely happens to us happened: a good hour before pushing to the goal we all ran out of water. No particular crisis, but as it shows also during longer breaks, sitting and sightseeing, and generally over a longer time you use more water, though less wildly. No one dehydrated so no panic.
When we started we overtook a mountaineering society of about 15 hikers, probably aged 50+. As a group they hiked a bit slower and towards the top already quite stretched. One of them whom we met already on descent in the difficult part decided not to go anymore (I estimated they were already 7+ hours on the way and about 1 hour to the top missing). But two companions persuaded him to squeeze a bit. I gave him one gel and some chocolate and told him to drink something over that gel. Because they advised him he'd be faster without backpack he left it somewhere on the path.... and of course all water and other gear, nothing transferred to others. Together they had 1 liter of water and an hour to top (and descent to backpack or to Vrata).
Dangers are many even if you're careful and go slowly. I think best is at your abilities and so that you stop a bit and look around. What do Triglav record holders have, racer who conquered 5-6 highest Slovenian peaks in 14 hours or "record" transferzale from hills I probably never will understand. To each his own...
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| ppegan10. 09. 2020 12:35:38 |
Lukito, I've met such people in other mountains too quite a few - below Kranjska Rinka (via via ferrata) there was an older guy totally cramped, couldn't go forward or back, below Jalovec summit a woman got such cramps she couldn't do anything. And I gave both liquid magnesium in an ampoule, and they were OK then, so at least they could descend to the valley (after a longer rest of course).
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| iUnknown10. 09. 2020 12:39:58 |
Yeah, what do record holders get from mountains. Some like to sightsee, for others views aren't important. Some like to climb, others don't. I for example go to mountains just to walk. People are different, right.
But even with those slow ones who "observe" it's interesting that in many cases they don't look around at all. It regularly happens to me that I just step aside a few meters and nobody notices me. True, I don't wear clothes in screaming colors.
For example. When everything was closed because of corona, I still went to mountains, but avoided others. In one such case I noticed someone already more than 100 meters ahead, so I stepped off the path up the slope, so his head was at the height of my feet, I was about two meters from the path. And he didn't notice me at all when passing.
Similar case happened when on completely flat terrain in the forest I stepped aside about 12 meters - house length, to snack in peace and two passersby minutes apart didn't notice me at all. Later I caught up and asked if they really didn't see me.
And that's just a couple examples.
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| dprapr10. 09. 2020 12:44:40 |
Liquid magnesium in ampoule, gel,... Interesting.
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