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| lynx18. 10. 2011 23:59:45 |
not very(tm) crumbly, somewhere between 1-3 on the Mohs scale. 
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| limona219. 10. 2011 11:30:27 |
benjamin7 and ljubitelj gora: very, very nice photos that provide pleasure when viewing.
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| ljubitelj gora19. 10. 2011 12:57:06 |
Or maybe someone knows directly to Tosc from VDV, where it's not marked, no path.
I don't know where to classify the route, under usual hiking, easier mountaineering; according to gerku I marked the entire wall and it shows 110% slope, grassy slope VDV 65% (descent from VDV to Tosc), main mountaineering route shows 130% that's from Krma...probably goes through gully...you can write to me also on ZS.
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| lynx19. 10. 2011 15:35:29 |
question is only if you needed hands and how much.
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| viharnik19. 10. 2011 15:41:30 |
I don't know why you're asking, since you yourself cut through the pathless terrain from Vrtačica to Tosc, I suppose? Sometimes we used to go up to it from here via the eastern narrow gully to the summit, but it's easier in winter in good conditions.
Experienced mountaineers can only climb Tosc from Bohinjska Vratca or most easily via the visible grassy gully over the southern belly.
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| turbo19. 10. 2011 15:56:03 |
If you grabbed on twice, the rest with poles, let it be a 1. If you stowed the poles and helped yourself with your hands all the way to the top, let it be a 2. If despite the help of hands you also thought about the helicopter, then disproportionately more than two.
All mentioned grades can be divided into lower (minus, -) or upper (plus, +).
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| ljubitelj gora19. 10. 2011 18:59:57 |
I don't carry poles anymore and also there that wall you can't do much with poles, of course hand use is necessary, since you had to grab the rocks and it took quite some time before reaching the top, there 100 m in length (gerk). It was at times an extremely steep ascent. I just need info if anyone has walked this path and where they would grade it, maybe some grade, maybe grade I.
From VDV it looked not too steep, but when you're there it's a different story.
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| turbo19. 10. 2011 19:11:31 |
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| ljubitelj gora19. 10. 2011 19:16:23 |
So it's grade I, difficult pathless, or very difficult pathless, something in between.
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| JusAvgustin19. 10. 2011 19:19:58 |
Tosc from Krma is easier pathless (scrambling over ledges...) but doesn't exceed II. grade (poor two)
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| JusAvgustin19. 10. 2011 19:22:42 |
anyway now I see you meant via Razor right? Personally haven't been there but heard it's solid II. probably real treat in snow(whole ridge from DP to Tosc)
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| ljubitelj gora19. 10. 2011 19:22:53 |
You talk about North face, I just hop from VDV to Tosc where no hands no go, no path, you choose yourself where to go, gully was partly in snow, there winter approach...along ridge normally didn't go.
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| bmare19. 10. 2011 19:25:07 |
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| JusAvgustin19. 10. 2011 19:30:48 |
II. crumbly  via Razor. Anyway north face of Tosc not particularly interesting, VDV and Trapez more "cool" 
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| turbo19. 10. 2011 19:41:16 |
No, now when there'll be snow the eastern is also quite nice... that narrow gully
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| JusAvgustin19. 10. 2011 19:49:07 |
turbo, you probably mean eastern gully on tošc... a nice pikarija but gotta be early...
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| JusAvgustin19. 10. 2011 19:53:10 |
LG, why didn't you go via the raz? "Around the ass into the stirrup" variant closer to your heart?
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| viharnik19. 10. 2011 20:00:01 |
Eastern couloir Tosca on 16.10, for our group trip to VDV.
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| turbo19. 10. 2011 20:03:10 |
@Juš
exactly that
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| suhi200020. 10. 2011 15:24:15 |
' mountain lover' Exactly there we went to the top this February and down the eastern gully. It was awesome.
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