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| Guest11. 01. 2008 08:53:19 |
My husband and I a few years ago for May 1st headed to Triglav Lakes. We planned to sleep at Prehodavci but due to lots of snow didn't get there. So we decided to sleep at Double Lake. There we ran into a problem. Czechs instead of sleeping had a party until 2 am.
Wonder if you have ever encountered a similar problem?
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| Guest11. 01. 2008 10:21:21 |
At the hut by Double Lake my wife and I ran into a wedding. It lasted until eleven at night, then it was quiet. All praise to the hut keepers. And also, it was an international wedding party. Lp Franc
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| Rakar11. 01. 2008 10:51:50 |
Of course, at 7J and at the above mentioned bivouac IV (and elsewhere) off-season parties happen. And it's not only Czechs and "Czechs" who behave like that, also "we", "the locals", are not always role models ... Yes, quite a few winter and early spring revelries with burning in front of the bivouac at 7J I've experienced out of necessity.
Interesting is the response of affected individuals. Most join the party or quietly endure until it passes. I'm usually among the latter (with some remark on burning), but I have an acquaintance who handles it differently. He always has a personally made ID card (of course own design) of national park supervisor, supplemented with "official" translation of authorization in Russian, Czech and Slovak ... In short, his looks and performance help a bit, so with the help of the aforementioned attributes he brings to order even the most boisterous East European mountain brothers. The tactic is allegedly always the same: first very, very strict, then gradually softens and finally Balkan-style forgives them: "Let it be this time since I'm in good mood, but if I hear anything about you these days ... "
Myself somehow not a supporter of abusing state powers (especially when you don't have them), but in this case I surprisingly easily renounce my principles and whenever I remember him and his approach, I smugly smile a bit at the "affected".
Regards
P.s. And careful with possible copying ... 
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| Guest11. 01. 2008 11:36:45 |
Interesting and comical 
Rakar, how do you dry wet and icy gear in bivouac at night e.g. -10°C if no stove? No misunderstanding - I don't advocate evening revelries by "May Day bonfire" in front of bivouac but I can't help but light a small fire in nearby forest with some fallen trunk or similar. Of course at end I cover it up and till spring when snow gone (checked) no traces visible...
LP,J.
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| Guest11. 01. 2008 13:24:48 |
With proper footwear and clothing, you have nothing wet and icy!
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| Guest11. 01. 2008 16:46:54 |
Maybe it's good if someone takes something to change into. Fire in front of winter room isn't wrong either as in winter sun sets early and until bedtime it's still a long time. Fire, throw some potatoes on it and it's a warm dinner.
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| Guest11. 01. 2008 16:51:35 |
Lighting fires in TNP is forbidden! Even if no trace of fire remains!
Proper gear solves all problems
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| Rakar11. 01. 2008 17:01:27 |
Modern materials, from various Xtex-es to Xshells certainly bring some progress, but on everyday hikes (I advocate up to two-day ones) and during snowfall it almost always happens that something just needs to be dried. Well, for such a case I don't have a miracle recipe. You can step into wet shoes in regular polyvinyl bags - at least one spare pair of socks is obligatory anyway. Clothing. Those who sweat profusely have to give up cotton materials and replace them with modern ones that quickly wick moisture outward. And you carry some kilo of reserve anyway. When force majeure happens and there's really no other solution (usually if we've planned poorly or 'overlooked' quick weather change and same in spring slush), then I myself have no qualms about the action (even in TNP) as you described above J. - especially since there's no damage behind us (we burn dry fallen branches; fresh ones except smoke don't give much).
Nothing particularly smart and new I haven't and won't write (don't have that much experience), but for winter tour I suggest choosing stable, not southern weather, only one overnight and appropriate footwear and clothing.
Regards
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| Rakar11. 01. 2008 17:08:19 |
P.s.
During my dawdling you others have already nicely summed it up briefly ...
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| Guest11. 01. 2008 17:57:48 |
Rakar, I completely agree with your thinking. I myself have pretty top equipment. Latest materials, Swiss underwear,... but despite that my feet sweat heavily on every longer hike (3h+) and when I stop the sweat in the shoe quickly condenses due to low temperature and result wet shoes. Already in the army they taught us (I was mountain scout) that multiple pairs of fresh socks are a must. But despite changing socks of course no effect. So nothing left but to light a fire and dry the shoe even if against TNP rules. And that doesn't seem morally-ethically controversial to me, especially if I clean up nicely after. But I don't understand people who act more papal than the pope and look at you sideways for that action, as if I have a barbecue and in 1m+ snow threaten fire safety in the park.
Regards, J.
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| Guest12. 01. 2008 10:03:57 |
Winter room at the hut at Triglav Lakes has excellent location for further ascents. Nice solitary hike is over Planina Lopučnica and over Velika vrata to Čelo. Summit with exceptional view and remoteness from hiking trails. Recommend to all who want mountain peace.
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| Rakar12. 01. 2008 15:47:57 |
Nice goal you recommend. The mentioned tour (to Čelo and also to Kal) is more ski touring and in winter time usual approach is from Komna. I myself climbed to Čelo in spring conditions, partly still snowy (wind-packed snow), only once up from Velika vrata, otherwise in summer conditions multiple times, also from the other side from Mala vrata (short I degree climbing). But always interested me how a hiker copes with fairly dangerous crevasse and scree world under Skodelica, there to Velika vrata and especially continuing above them in unpacked loose snow. Also schedule in winter conditions probably not straightforward, since already in summer average ascent time from hut at 7 Lakes is some 4 hours. I'd really appreciate if you briefly describe your snow experiences on this route, although I know I'm pushing a bit off the main topic.
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| Guest12. 01. 2008 16:13:31 |
I'll describe my three-day tour:
From Planina Blato over Planina pri Jezeru and Planina Viševnik to Pršivec. From there to Black Lake and then down the valley to Double Lake, where I slept in the winter room. Since it was November, there wasn't much snow, only here and there some windblown snow that hadn't melted yet.
Next day still in the dark to Lopučnica. There a nice autumn-winter day had formed. Continued on the usual summer path, because as mentioned snow wasn't much. Crevasses to Velika vrata weren't covered with snow so no problems. From Velika vrata to the summit I came across occasional footprints in the snow showing the way.
Followed descent to the winter room where I had all the gear not needed on the tour. Third day descended back to Blato.
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| Rakar12. 01. 2008 17:56:50 |
No big deal, enjoyable! With the appropriate amount of snow. And proper approach to the tour: nicely slowly, without excessive rushing. Just to my taste.
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| Guest12. 01. 2008 20:18:03 |
True, the Triglav Lakes is an excellent place for relaxation. Both in summer and winter.
A few years ago at the hut, at the spot where snow falls from the roof, I noticed quite a few igloos.
How about overnighting in snow igloos?
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| Guest14. 01. 2008 06:09:17 |
Exactly so. Triglav Lakes are really beautiful!
I recommend a winter visit too
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| Guest15. 01. 2008 10:13:12 |
I was at the hut at Triglav Lakes for three days last year. I can say it got quite boring as we waited for nice weather. We thought of going to Triglav, where I still haven't been till today. Tjaša
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| Guest15. 01. 2008 10:22:52 |
Maybe you'll reach the desired goal this year. Lp Franc
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| Guest17. 01. 2008 15:53:02 |
Between planina pri jezeru and the hut at triglav lakes there are 3 connections: dol. pod stadorjem (past črno jezero), over prode and over štapce (if not mistaken). The latter is the most direct and quite demanding (as heard).
It interests me which is easiest in winter, most beautiful and usually most trodden? Happy for approx time frame too - all in winter time.
Thanks all for info and best regards!
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| Guest17. 01. 2008 16:04:54 |
Over Štapce the difficult part is very short and well protected. Trouble arises only if the passage under Štapce is iced.
Usually none is well trodden.
In my opinion the best variant is over Prode.
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