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Which flower is this?

otiv18. 07. 2015 23:09:27

Zlatica, I'm for Scheuchzer's bellflower and that by the shape of the flower and also by the shape of the lower leaves. I have a feeling there's quite a little confusion with these bellflowers, especially when I look at pictures on the internet, so I'm not even sure myself anymore what's right and what isn't. nasmeh

Apolonija18. 07. 2015 23:11:05

Finally, time for the computer again. Zlatica, when I started writing to dleskovec, your comment wasn't there yet. As you see, we are pretty much of the same opinion. I agree with you that the little one is probably Scheuchzer's. You posted nice flowers again. Let otiv tell about the bellflower. Homulica is hexagonal.

Yes, that yellow flower. Maybe it's not really yellow and the flower is a bit older or it's yellowish only on the photo?? Is it alone or are there more on the stem, which isn't on the picture or can't be seen (the stem namely)? Rosettes and flower shape remind me of tuft saxifrage Saxifraga cespitosa, but I'm not sure if it grows here.
https://www.google.si/search?q=Saxifraga+cespitosa&biw=1280&bih=917&tbm=isch&imgil=TmTVnPXe6kSFYM%253A%253Blolsr7j41RGWzM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fscience.halleyhosting.com%25252Fnature%25252Fbasin%25252F5petal%25252Fsaxi%25252Fsaxi%25252Fcaespitosa.htm&source=iu&pf=m&fir=TmTVnPXe6kSFYM%253A%252Clolsr7j41RGWzM%252C_&usg=__DBpVDdbJUO47DoOolZaCrOfUY9s%3D&ved=0CCkQyjdqFQoTCM7on9DC5cYCFUEbFAodiQQE3A&ei=NbeqVY76DcG2UImJkOAN#imgrc=sk0_wL6WvoGMmM%3A&usg=__DBpVDdbJUO47DoOolZaCrOfUY9s%3D
nasmeh

zlatica18. 07. 2015 23:13:25

Thanks, Otiv, I'm also completely confused around these bellflowers. zmeden

Pictures on the internet are also very different, and in handbooks there are also many pictures only with flowers of these bellflowers, and without clearly visible leaves. We would need a live course on this topic, right? Good night...

Apolonija18. 07. 2015 23:30:26

I see, otiv, you've already decided for the bellflower. Confusion, I agree. If I see them in nature, it's easier for me to recognize. It seems to me that one has to consider how old the plant is and if it has reached its height. Is it small because it hasn't grown yet, or by nature? Then, how open the flowers are or if they are still more or less in buds. The shape also depends on that- (if you inflate the "balloon", it's rounder).
troubles of the little parsley's mother.
Scheuchzer's bellflower: long stalk, one flower, narrow, linear and untoothed leaves on bare stem. Is it like that on the picture? I think not. Leaves aren't narrow... Nor the bushy one. I'm for the pot-bellied one nasmeh

Apolonija18. 07. 2015 23:36:13

"Pictures on the internet are also very different...". The authors of those pictures were confused too.

velkavrh19. 07. 2015 07:50:32

Just now I have time before morning chores-garden is already watered, so a bit I also comment on our bellflower. I'm sure it's not scheuchzerjeva. It has thin narrow leaflets along the stem, which this one on the picture doesn't have. The shape of the lower leaflets confuses me a bit. I know that right across the border with Austria grows Campanula pulla, which has such leaves and flower shape like scheuchzerjeva -for such flower shape I say the little belly is a bit narrower and elongated. With us this bellflower from Austria doesn't grow, but it's border. Height is the same, only the growth itself is different. It could be a hybrid, which is very likely. But one has to know that leaves can vary a bit and mislead us.

This year I'm looking for spike bellflower, which I haven't seen in nature yet. I want to photograph round-leaved well. To find Bolognese, which is border with Italy, but not confirmed in Austria. Pyramid one not confirmed here. Peach-leaved I haven't photographed or seen this year at all, nor spreading. Alpine bellflower I have never found either. Short-hairy neither. I know there are several subspecies of clustered ones, which are not confirmed. I want to find out the difference between Carniolan and tufted-Carniolan has namely more elongated inflorescence on the stem. Beck's is border with Austria.

otiv19. 07. 2015 08:25:56

Hello company!

I already have gray hair anyway, now the bellflowers are doing this to me too. velik nasmeh

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In my handbook it says that Scheuchzer bellflower has hairs on the leaf edges and that is quite well visible on Zlatica's bellflower, the lower leaves also aren't coarsely toothed, which the potbelly bellflower has.
It will hold what the handbook author wrote, that there are numerous subspecies
of Scheuchzer bellflower.

zlatica19. 07. 2015 08:51:44

Apolonija, thanks for the effort around "yellow rockcress". It's really hard to say more from one photo. I looked in Flora Alpina, which doesn't even record this type of rockcress at all, which is most similar to my flower besides lichen. But there's another possibility that it's a bit "withered" or old Carniolan rockcress...which also has a yellowish flower, which can have a stronger color tone in maturity.
Otiv, on behalf of everyone also thanks to you for thinking. It wouldn't be bad if we really had the opportunity sometime to coordinate and think on site itself with the help of a specialized botanical expert for bellflowers... velik nasmeh

Apolonija19. 07. 2015 09:18:26

Otiv, I like how you defend your position like that. But I don't understand the author the way you do. He says there are numerous similar species, not subspecies. That means Scheuchzer's is just one, but other species are similar to it, for example rušnata.. Look again, maybe we don't have the same handbook. The absence of narrow, lance-shaped leaves bothers me for gold bellflower, so as to give you right. Now it would really be interesting to have some biologist's opinion. Brane, can you forward something???

Zlatica, I also thought about Carniolan rockcress precisely because of the flower color. I looked for those 3 lobes on the rosettes, but didn't find them. Maybe they just aren't visible. Logically it could be.

otiv19. 07. 2015 10:02:25

Apolonija, you know me, photography is mainly what matters to me and through that I've cleared up in my head what shape the flower of the pot-bellied bellflower has, which is also in my handbook (Alpine Flowers-Wolfgang Lippert), it's not 100% criterion of course, but it will suffice for me. nasmeh

And bon appetit to everyone at lunch. nasmeh

Apolonija19. 07. 2015 11:59:01

Bon appetit to you too! I believe in your sharp aesthete's eye. For me it's fun to figure out which plant it is, to "wrinkle brains" a bit, otherwise I don't take everything too seriously, as you know. But we learn together and also teach something nasmeh

otiv19. 07. 2015 13:56:40

I completely agree with you Apolonija, all this is entertainment from which we will all learn something useful in the end.

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mkonci19. 07. 2015 17:07:47

I checked the flowers but can't find which one this is. Can someone help with an answer.

Is it perhaps alpine globeflower?

Apolonija19. 07. 2015 17:12:02

July poppy

velkavrh19. 07. 2015 17:19:36

mkonci-it is July poppy-white-Papaver ernesti-mayeri. Grows only in Julian Alps. Not in KSA and Karavanke. Right across the border in Austria we find white-alpine poppy-Papaver alpinum-border flower and also white poppy-Papaver sendtneri-also border. The only remaining white-Papaver occidentale-grows far from our borders.

mkonci19. 07. 2015 17:44:55

thanks

Apolonija19. 07. 2015 17:45:13

Just a clarification: in the high mountains here, in Austria and elsewhere grows alpine poppy (Papaver alpinum), which can be white, yellow, orange, even reddish). All listed poppies (and others) are just subspecies of alpine poppy and for subspecies another name is added.

So on the picture (quite correctly) July alpine poppy (Papaver alpinum ssp./=subspecies/ernesti mayeri

velkavrh20. 07. 2015 18:11:34

This morning to Komna via mulatjera, then to planina Govnač, to Veliki Bogatin or Mahavšček and Bogatin, then descent to Bogatinsko sedlo. Lots of flowers, košutnik still blooming, didn't find any small svišči anymore, alpska velesa has bloomed out. Didn't find the desired ropontika, because turned to the lower path to planina Govnač, should have gone to the upper one. There two years ago found a stand of ropontika.

Along the mulattiera path there is a lot of Heracleum pollinianum.

I always find white nettle-leaved bellflowers on this path too.

Below the top of the path to the Komna hut, tufted bellflower appears. I think I saw Carniolan bellflower too, which has much longer white inflorescence.

Dark red helleborine - Epipactis atrorubens.

I only found this pasqueflower. There are no others on the entire path either. It is Haynald's or July pasqueflower.

Narrow-leaved rock-cress is abundant everywhere.

Here we find the ever-present common catchfly.

Long-leaved scabious - Knautia longifolia.

Four-toothed slanozor or lepnica - Silene pusilla. It differs from mountain lepnica or slanozor - Silene quadrifida only in the stems, which are slightly reddish on the mountain one.

Narrow-helmeted gentian. In the shade to the hut on Komna everything is blue, including broad-helmeted gentians.

Narrow-leaved gentian. This grows in the Julians.

Probably mountain avens, but it is already almost over.

Shiny scabious - Scabiosa lucida subsp. lucida, we also have the stiff, common and grass-leaved ones. They differ mainly in the leaves.

This scabious is more violet. Unfortunately, I didn't photograph the leaves, so the identification is not 100% certain.

The abundance of flowers carries you too quickly to the next flower.

Among the edelweiss also Triglav rose or shining globeflower.

Abrotan-leaved ragwort actually colors the entire surroundings yellow to orange.

Fuchs' ragwort - Senecio ovatus subsp. ovatus.

Clustered bellflower - we have several subspecies. I'll play around some more to see which subspecies it is - Campanula glomerata subsp. glomerata.

There is a lot of inflated bellflower, but no scree bellflower.

Woolly-leaved or Carniolan bellflower. Leaves like grass.

Of the pinks, only this one was present - Sternberg's pink - Dianthus sternbergii.

On Govnač mountain, on the path to Bogatnske saddle there is plenty of yellow svišč-košutnik.

Host's saxifrage. As we know there are two subspecies - This is Saxifraga hostii subsp. hostii.

It is the tallest in growth. It prefers shade more than not. This subspecies has wider, shorter leaves in the leaf rosette and no spots on the petals.

Mossy saxifrage - it has filled the characteristic moss cushion with flowers.

Crusty saxifrage, gray-green was also present.

Alpine thistle - Carduus defloratus. It has several subspecies. This is the thick-leaved one - Carduus defloratus subsp. crassifolius.

The subspecies is also sinjezeleni, tridentinski is not confirmed, we also have hribski which is similar to sinjezeleni.

That yellow drobižek, there is plenty of it, I will try to identify it later.

I think it is širokolistni jelenovec - Laserpitium latifolium. I am just learning to recognize kobulnice.

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Apolonija20. 07. 2015 19:10:08

6 Narrow-leaved willowherb (Chamaenerion angustifolium)

Brane, nice photos. Got a new camera? nasmeh

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velkavrh21. 07. 2015 10:35:23

Not yet! Next trip already with new camera. Looking forward to first trip with it. Too many goals, Austria with female colleague, with male colleague to rocks somewhere, social trips, alone would go on exploratory trip.

Today studying these my yellow ones. Tough nut even for botanists.