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Which flower is this?

velkavrh28. 07. 2019 19:53:58

Here I found piotr's yellow flower from 22.07.2019.

It's our border flower-Clusijev divjakovec. Occurs in two subspecies-Doronicum clusii subsp. clusii and subsp. villosum. I found it as in Flora Alpina and at Hoppe. By the pics I'd say it's the first subspecies.

velkavrh28. 07. 2019 20:08:03

Zvonček is probably joking a bit with the naming from 13.07. pic no. 5—it's large-flowered leopard's bane. I have too much time and am checking the old posts a bit.

Zvonček28. 07. 2019 21:54:09

Velkavrh, no joke, but a mistake crept in. I was just reviewing my notes on leopard's banes then, and wrote the wrong one. Hudourniški leopard's bane doesn't grow here, it's endemic to Koralpe, here grows a similar species Austrian leopard's bane.

Pic no. 5 is actually large-flowered leopard's bane. Good that it's raining and you have time to check back mežikanje

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On 25.7. I posted pics from Kanin, among which is also large-flowered leopard's bane, correctly named or noted. Best regards

velkavrh29. 07. 2019 06:16:06

Zvonček, if it were unproven or unconfirmed flower here I'd know its name and find it in Flora Alpina, because they are also recorded with Slovenian names. But if it's a border one, it's not Slovenian-named, especially not if it grows elsewhere in the Alps.

I have two weeks now to browse the Flora Alpina manual a bit, then from 15 to 25 Aug I'm going on a 10-day mountain trekking to Romania in the Carpathians. There grow lots of flowers not in the Alps. Then need to find some manual for Carpathian flowers. I'll have time for photographing, since I'm not a guide, but just a participant in a large expedition.

We'll cover quite a bit-Plateau Rodnei-peak Pietrosu-2303m, Toaca-1904m, Omu-2507m, Balea Lake-2036m, Podrag hut-2136m, Moldoveanu-2544m-highest peak of Romania, last day sleep already in Serbia in Vršac and visit highest peak of Vojvodina Godirički peak-641m. That'll be something to dream about.

zlatica29. 07. 2019 13:57:26

Branko, I see a lot of nice things await you and you'll enjoy a lot. From me this time just two little flowers, because unfortunate circumstances don't allow me trips to the mountains, namely the first is rarely noticed, and I haven't seen it posted often either, for the second I'd need help, which flower it is. I checked quite a bit, but can't find in any literature exactly similar that would define this yellow unknown. I looked among all possible hawkweeds/jajčarji, hawkbits, but was unsuccessful. So I'll be glad for any thinking from any of you, even if the conclusion isn't fully reliable. The picture quality is not the best, but basic features are quite visible. Both flowers from Kamnik Alps at around 1700 m. lp nasmeh

velkavrh29. 07. 2019 16:16:41

zlatica-your yellow one is very common and is prealpine hawkbit-Crepis alpestris. In Flora Alpina it's in the second book on page 674.

zlatica29. 07. 2019 19:02:09

Oh, Branko, thanks for the response. I looked at this alpine hawkbit again now. Do you really think that's it, because this one has involucral bracts under the head much more inflated and towards the stem it's all thicker. And the leaves aren't like that, not shiny and smooth at all. The leaves of mine are just like those of the hawkbit to the right of this prealpine one named Crepis albida, which doesn't grow here. That's why I couldn't decide which it would be. I also looked at that one, C. jacquini,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crepis#/media/File:Crepis_jacquini_a1.jpg; it has well visible hairy involucral bracts, which mine also has, shiny and dandelion-like in shape leaves, though somewhat narrower than mine and again supposedly doesn't grow here. But I'm more and more convinced it's a hawkbit.
Come on, Branko, look once more carefully and comparatively at this C. alpestris and mine and say if it still seems right to you. I'm grateful you're dealing with my puzzle.
And one more thing: have you ever encountered a milky-white involucre here in our mountains? This is the first time I've seen it. best

velkavrh30. 07. 2019 04:20:59

I haven't found it yet. I know it has tall thin stems in appearance and completely different leaves (rosette). It grows here too, just rare.

Crepis jasquinii has completely different leaves. This one is borderline in the Karawanks. Hawkbits like to hybridize and hybrids come that have almost identical flower, but leaves are usually a bit changed.

Now until Romania I'll rest more. Something that's not from this year. For a change let someone play around and identify the little flowers. Just to say they were taken on a trip in Austria.

zlatica3. 08. 2019 10:06:34

Around my yellow unknown that I posted on 29.7.2019 I was still inquiring around what flower it could be. If anyone is interested (maybe Branko, who tried with me to find the answer), now with friendly help from Peter Strgar I got from Igor Dakskobler the answer that it's alpine hawkbit Leontodon hispidus subsp. hyoseroides. Attaching pictures for refresh, which flower it was. best regards nasmeh

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velkavrh4. 08. 2019 13:23:26

Still I think my claim - of course layman's - will hold better. From the pictures I found of both I could see that alpine hawkbit has a different flower - filled.

Today I did scouting for Monday - Rudnica. But for the weekend there will be more, when Triglav comes.

Some other umbellifer. According to Flora Alpina it could be navadni steničjak - Aethusa cynapium.

Umbellifers are most easily recognized by their leaves. This one has such.

Beautiful rampion garlic - Allium carinatum subsp. pulchellum.

Apolonija4. 08. 2019 20:56:02

Brane, I 100% agree it's alpine hawkbit. The "filledness" of the basket depends on development phase, growth conditions... Just prealpine hawkbit doesn't have such leaves nor involucral bracts. Of course no one disputes that you stick to yours.
I think the idea about 1 is good and maybe some other marsh plant? Say common? nasmeh

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Zvonček4. 08. 2019 22:38:41

Some little flowers from the Dolomites, above 2700 m.

single-flowered smiljka (or its subspecies broad-leaved smiljka)

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Zvonček4. 08. 2019 22:45:03

And some more little flowers from rocky meadows, alpine meadows, also from the Dolomites, above 2000 m.

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Zvonček4. 08. 2019 23:00:25

At about 2800 m a small snail surprised me. How does it survive in these conditions? Best regards

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otiv5. 08. 2019 09:02:08

Zvonček, in the first pictures no.5 it's Pyrenean rockcress and not bladder campion. mežikanje

Zvonček5. 08. 2019 18:38:57

Otiv, thanks. It really is Pyrenean rockcress. How quickly beautiful small flowers deceive a person so that you forget to look at the leaves too. On this path I also came across round-leaved bladder campion, admittedly a few small tufts and I post the picture anyway.
Otiv, you haven't shown up for a long time, so I'm even more glad that you corrected me.

On picture 9 and 10 from the first group it's probably Carniolan rockjasmine.

Zlatica kindly, as always, reminded me of my other wrong identifications in the second group of flowers.

On picture 7 it's not alpine bellflower, but not tubby either, because the bellflower's leaves in the picture are completely different from tubby ones. So I corrected and just wrote bellflowers.

The hawkweed is pinnate and not glandular.

Zlatica, thanks.

And when I looked at the photos again, I think on picture 10 it's not cat's ear, but single-headed swine cress, which is rare here, but can be found on Dolomite meadows. Please comment, I think Velkavrh wrote about it long ago.

Apolonija5. 08. 2019 22:27:26

Zvonček, you're good. Your shots are very nice. No.10 really is one-headed cat's-ear (Hypochaeris uniflora) nasmeh

Differences between pinnate and glandular hawkweed you surely know.

Zvonček5. 08. 2019 22:57:38

Apolonija, thanks.
Maybe someone else will be interested in a simple explanation of the difference between the pinnate knapweed (Centaurea uniflora nervosa) and the wig knapweed (Centaurea phrygia ssp. pseudophrygia): apart from the awns on the involucral leaves the easiest way to distinguish them is that the pinnate has an unbranched stem with one flowerhead, the wig one has a branched stem with several flowerheads. nasmeh

velkavrh6. 08. 2019 09:35:17

Zvonček on Saturday I'm going to the Dolomites - Marmolada - and I hope there will be something new again. In the Dolomites black deadnettle also grows, correctly named Rhelikanijeva deadnettle. Black ones are only in Scandinavia. In the Dolomites other types of deadnettles grow that don't grow here. Mostly they are lighter colors than Rhelikanijeva. Actually only experts would distinguish them.

Some year ago I paid more attention to bellflowers. Also in Dolomites bellflowers grow that don't grow here and are similar in flower to inflated and round-leaved ones. We distinguish them more by leaves than by flower. Unfortunately the leaves on your picture are not visible well. It would be interesting to find Campanula cenisia. Bellflowers also hybridize.

Carniolan hawkweed also grows here, I haven't found it yet. It's a subspecies of gray hawkweed.

Apolonija, the picture of the marsh orchid will have the right name. Only this marsh orchid here is more uniformly red-violet colored. The common one has that front wing (looks like some feather) white colored. That tongue which is in the middle of that feather (has four teeth - is white and has yellow rim). But for exact determination of marsh orchids a good picture of the flower itself is needed. In Flora Alpina it's well photographed.