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| Guest6. 08. 2019 16:18:50 |
Maybe useful to someone. Scanned from "Vegetation of our mountains" - Vlado Ravnik (Iconography of plants of Julian and Kamnik-Savinja Alps and Karawanks)
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| Apolonija6. 08. 2019 19:00:21 |
You are gold, goldy, surely it will be useful to many.
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| darinka47. 08. 2019 07:27:06 |
Yesterday's flowers from the mulatjera from Zadnjica and Kanjavških meadows.
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| velkavrh7. 08. 2019 08:04:58 |
darinka4, on picture no. 6 you have Sieber's hawk's-beard. That grows like this in rock crevices. In between is chickweed for sure - question is only which one. There are more options - when determining chickweeds I'm never sure. I don't see the leaves well, which are somehow decisive for determination, not so much the flower itself, which sometimes varies a bit. Rock one has narrow oblong bracts. Could be single-flowered - that has kind of almond-shaped leaves. Carinthian leaves I don't know well. South-alpine and Soča ones are not, because those two chickweeds have several flowers on the stem.
Picture no. 2 - definitely not golden hawkweed. Determining these hawkweeds, otavčič and hawkbits is always delicate. Flower, stem and leaves decide. Everyone asks me like this - what is this like a dandelion. I always tell them there are usually three options and I can't decide.
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| dprapr7. 08. 2019 10:22:28 |
Nature shapes in its own way...
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| zlatica7. 08. 2019 10:33:19 |
beautiful, dprapr, characteristically shaped chickweed cushion! Where did you catch this beauty? Is it a secret? 
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| dprapr7. 08. 2019 10:43:28 |
On the ridge of Seraute.
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| velkavrh7. 08. 2019 12:05:37 |
dprapr, it's a type of chickweed that doesn't grow here - Cerastium pedunculatum. For this chickweed it's characteristic that it has hairs on the leaves, which is well visible on the picture. The flower itself doesn't have such closed petals as is characteristic for other chickweeds, which is also well visible. Between these corolla petals (floral) there are green sepals, which are barely seen in the gap between corolla petals. In locally growing chickweeds - Carinthian, rock, single-flowered, Soča we don't see corolla petals. We see them only if we turn the flowers upside down.
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| dprapr7. 08. 2019 13:35:05 |
Thanks, I'm glad that now I at least know what I photographed there on the Marmolada ridge.
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| zlatica7. 08. 2019 14:56:02 |
dprapr, thanks for the reply. Velkavrh identified it, I'm adding some pictorial info on the topic. lp
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| Zvonček7. 08. 2019 21:04:02 |
Velkavrh, please look also at my chickweed on picture 7 from 4.8. (and also 6), photographed on different mountains, but both above 2700m (one below Cima Vezzana and the other below summit of Piz Boe). If it's Cerastium pedunculatum from dprapr, then mine could be too, definitely the leaves had full of hairs. Thanks in advance!
Haven't encountered pre-alpine five-fingered orchid for a long time, today it delighted me on the path to Prevala.
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| velkavrh8. 08. 2019 06:29:31 |
Yes, Zvonček identifying chickweeds is tricky. Important for identification is the flower, but even that varies a bit often. Decisive are leaves and how many flowers on the stem. Hairs are not decisive. That's just feature of individual species. Probably all know woolly chickweed which we grow on our flower beds - I call it silver chickweed. We meet it in nature rarely. I grow on my rockery chickweed from Vremščica and it spreads. Seems it suits it - I couldn't identify it. So-called valley chickweeds there are plenty and I can't separate them. Real mountain ones aren't many either - alpine - C.alpinum (as border same as three-cleft), three-cleft - C. cerastoides (in Flora Alpina mentioned as border all around us), rock - C.julicum - grows with us and only in Austria too, field - C.arvense and its subsp rigid chickweed - C.a. subsp strictum, single-flowered - C.uniflorum, Carinthian - C.carinthiacum subsp.carinthiacum, south-alpine - C.c. austroalpinum, Soča C.subtriflorum, broad-leaved - C.latifolium but according to Flora alpina should not grow with us at all, not border.
Your chickweed to my layman's eye is quite single-flowered. It actually grows all over the Alps area.
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| zlatica8. 08. 2019 08:33:56 |
Zvonček, you found well the pre-alpine finger orchid and bush bellflower - this one is especially dear to me, even at home it bloomed nicely this year, but when I spot cross-leaved gentian, I know summer is slowly going and autumn is approaching.
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| velkavrh8. 08. 2019 10:18:21 |
I don't have any bellflower on my small mini rockery. I went to fetch rock for it from the limestone quarry at Jezersko. These two flowers from Vremščica have spread a lot - chickweed and finger orchid. The finger orchid is Tommasini's, the chickweed I didn't identify. Koch's bought gentian grows well for me and also red primrose or sunray - bought, grown in the Netherlands. Some gentian - similar to Koch's - hybrid - bought flowered for me only one year. In the shade I had a hybrid of marsh gentian, which flowered for a couple of years. It spread nicely and the alpine primrose flowers nicely too.
In Flora Alpina under Gentiana there are still gentianellas, although gentianellas are now classified under Gentianella. Hoppe - Slovenian edition 2013 already lists them separately.
It would be interesting to find in Austria the gentian Gentiana frigida, which is multi-flowered (several large flowers on top of the stem) - it is whitish, along the middle of the corolla lobe there is a narrow longitudinal stripe colored greenish. This gentian is marginal.
In the Dolomites in Italy a few years ago I found Gentiana punctata - dotted gentian - similar in flowers to our Pannonian one and one more - similar to Koch's or Clusius's - but it was colored differently - it is not in Flora Alpina.
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| Zvonček8. 08. 2019 10:23:37 |
Velkavrh, thanks for the comprehensive summary on chickweed species. I know broad-leaved chickweed doesn't grow here, but grows in western Alps on limestone and dolomite soils. It's a subspecies of single-flowered chickweed, likewise long-stalked chickweed (C. pedunculatum) is subspecies of single-flowered chickweed. So the question is, if Draprova's chickweed is long-stalked . Since chickweeds are really hard to identify, especially for layman like me, I'll stick with naming mine single-flowered chickweed. Lp
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| Zvonček8. 08. 2019 10:28:58 |
And also my spotted gentian from Dolomites. There was a whole slope of it and the sight was indescribably beautiful.
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| Zvonček8. 08. 2019 10:36:00 |
Zlatica, bush bellflower is also dear to my heart (besides inflated one), and yes it sometimes shows from my posts,. This one on the picture is pressed to the wall because of wind. Lp
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| zlatica8. 08. 2019 11:04:19 |
Zvonček, your yellow gentian (spotted gentian - Gentiana punctata) is really worthy of admiration and only our Pannonian gentian can stand beside it.
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| Zvonček11. 08. 2019 19:35:57 |
Some flowers along the path to Kamnit Hunter. Regards
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