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| Apolonija26. 07. 2019 18:39:40 |
I already wrote a long one, but accidentally deleted everything, now I don't have time anymore to rewrite.
Zlatica, you already explained everything.
Different botanists just gave names to new plants they found in different areas. They were guided by family, species, genus where they classified the plant. With new findings they also discovered some mistakes and assigned new genus and new name. That's how different synonyms arose. So that botanists from different countries could communicate more easily, they then chose the "leading, the main" naming, but some stayed with theirs. Let this Latin confusion not confuse us too much, let only botanists. If I look at Latin names, I consider those used by Slovenian botanists, which we also find in MF Slo.
In Slovenia we know/grow only 2 species of medicinal plant: common medicinal plant (Libanotis sibirica) and carrot-leaved medicinal plant (Libanotis daucifolia, Daucus carota=carrot). Common medicinal plant has two more subspecies: mountain medicinal plant (subsp. montana) and Pyrenean medicinal plant (subsp.
pyrenaica). If we find this beautiful umbellifer, I think it's enough to write medicinal plant. (Unless we can determine which species or subspecies it is)
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| velkavrh27. 07. 2019 04:27:22 |
Thanks! Now I know why different names for the same flower!
Can't wait for my Romania. From 15-25 August I'm on mountain trekking in Romania. By then I'll have the new camera too.
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| plezac27. 07. 2019 11:37:44 |
Hi,
I'm interested what these flowers are...Julian Alps, area of Veliko Polje, 23.6-29.6.2019
LP Janez
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| velkavrh27. 07. 2019 11:49:47 |
plezac, look back a bit and you'll surely find them. I'll write them to you today:
1 and 2.-stemless gentian
3.-alpine clover
4.-whorled lousewort
5.-spring gentian
6.-alpine butterbur
7.-heart-leaved primrose
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| plezac27. 07. 2019 19:39:15 |
@velkavrh thanks! Next time I'll really look back.
Lp Janez
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| zlatica28. 07. 2019 04:59:32 |
Hello, ločanka! Since I can't sleep and outside it's still pitch dark, I'll occupy myself a bit with your little flowers. Yesterday we said a few words on this topic also with Apolonija, so this is the opinion of both:
rhododendron, sleč or locally rhododendron, bellflowers, Carniolan gentian, scabious (capitate?), inflated bellflower, Carniolan gentian, smallest globeflower, Carniolan gentian, whorled rockjasmine, alpine forget-me-not Eritrichium nanum, one of the saxifrages, gentian, aster-probably scapose, low silene,edelweiss. May your steps continue to lead you through such beautiful mountains and flowers.
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| ločanka28. 07. 2019 07:41:49 |
zlatica, thanks to both really
I've entered the names right into the pics so I don't forget.
The kranjski kamnokreč surprised me though, so on pic 7 and 9, does it hold?
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| Zvonček28. 07. 2019 08:33:43 |
Deniss, on pic 4 it's nettle bellflower, on 5 willow-leaved primrose. Nice pics! Lp
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| Apolonija28. 07. 2019 09:08:56 |
ločanka, if I give my view: this around the kranjski kamnokreč I don't take as pure gold, not reliable for me. Especially those cushions on 9 and with flowers that remind me more of edelweiss, are a puzzle for me.
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| ločanka28. 07. 2019 09:46:15 |
Apolonija, thanks for chiming in. I noticed one difference, namely on one the leaves are lobed, on the other not. I have another pic from Hafner, closer
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| zlatica28. 07. 2019 10:02:08 |
ločanka, now I looked at the pic again enlarged on computer and Apolonija is right, this can't be Kranj kamnokreč.
Based on the additional pic it's really one kind of edelweiss.
Deniss, your photos from Črna prst are admirable. Good you didn't deprive us of them and posted with delay. lp
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| Apolonija28. 07. 2019 10:15:59 |
Well, here it's much clearer. Hard to guess from afar, especially from smartphone. Flowers speak for edelweiss. But which one? Single-flowered? (Cerastium uniflorum?)
Will someone else say
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| zlatica28. 07. 2019 13:37:17 |
This could be it, because among edelweisses it's rarer so low-flowering (2-6 cm height), flowers relatively large and just that shape for it. Especially this edelweiss grows very high, which at Hafner visit is no problem. Also the cushion of unopened buds is well visible, practically right at ground.... I vote for it. 
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| velkavrh28. 07. 2019 15:15:34 |
Hello! I looked at the flowers of my colleague, if I may call her that, and found the following:
No. 7 is not Kranj kamnokreč-it has completely different flower -I'll present it from several sites. Check it under Alenka Mihorič.I found out that it's a saxifrage that according to Flora Alpina doesn't grow here -Saxifraga bryoides-mossy saxifrage.I've also photographed it in High Turs. Common in Central Alps.
No.9 is single-flowered mouse-ear-Cerastium uniflorum, extremely small -only 2-6 cm high.Grows here too.
No. 12 is Swiss rockjasmine-Androsace helvetica.Grows here too. Has characteristic gray leaves.All white rockjasmines are usually similar height in growth -hairy, villous, Hausmann's (haven't found that one yet-grows here too).
No. 1 is mountain houseleek-Sempervivum montanum.
No. 2 is probably rusty alpine rose-it has such strong red color-Rhododendron ferrugineum.
No. 5 is round-headed rampion-Phyteuma orbiculare.
No. 11 is Triglav king-of-the-Alps -Eritrichium nanum.
No. 13 can't determine the species of this small saxifrage for sure. Actually we'd have Bavarian, spring, low, short-leaved, round-leaved to choose. Only Triglav one doesn't grow in such cushions. Definitely not snow or pot-bellied. For determining these small saxifrages leaves-leaf rosettes are most important.
No.14 is subspecies of monkshood-turkish monkshood-Aconitum napellus subsp. tauricum.Monkshood has subspecies-turkish, Lobel's here, beyond border also A.n.vulgare and A.n.hians.They differ mainly in leaves.Two years ago there was debate about monkshood and turkish one-said it can be exactly determined only under microscope.
I dwelt quite exhaustively on ločanka's flowers-outside it's raining anyway.
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| ločanka28. 07. 2019 16:28:20 |
velkavrh thanks to you too for completing the names of all these little flowers. I believe they're not just for themselves, but meant for admiration by all of us who step over them or marvel at them from below.
They really enrich this mountain world. Sometimes I didn't notice them at all, even when pointed out. Today my eye finds them on its own.
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| velkavrh28. 07. 2019 16:52:57 |
I'll play a bit more with Deniss's gentian.
Yellow gentian occurs in three subspecies:
-common gentian-Gentiana lutea subsp. lutea-here it's supposedly conditional-that means no habitats proven here. It has large basal leaves like vardjanov.
-vardjanov or free-stamened gentian-Gentiana lutea subsp. vardjanii-has large wide basal leaves. Grows mainly in the Julians. I find it also in KSA.
-bratinski or rough-stamened gentian-Gentiana lutea subsp. symphyandra. Has shorter and narrower basal leaves, barely peeking over the inflorescence. Petals are spotted. Bratinski is common on Nanos, Vremščica, less in Julians.
So Deniss photographed vardjanov gentian. I haven't seen it flowering this year yet. But I've seen gentian leaves many times this year. One needs to know that it takes at least a year to flower. I don't know exactly how it reproduces. I know they cultivate it already. Gentian roots have long been considered an excellent soak in brandy for medicinal bitters. Gentian is protected.
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| mirank28. 07. 2019 18:25:57 |
Just a couple of pics from Thursday's wandering around the Coldai hut and lake
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| velkavrh28. 07. 2019 19:34:20 |
Maybe just for those who know mountain flowers less:
no. 4-alpine nebina
no. 5-wilted alpine kosmatinec
no. 6-Pannonian thistle
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