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otiv13. 08. 2013 07:36:20

Good morning to you too, girl! nasmeh

I'll join later, because I have painting obligations. velik nasmeh

velkavrh13. 08. 2013 11:55:46

Now it's time to go to work. Quickly I'll upload a modest collection of today's flowers from the burnt Osredek mountain pasture.

Flower of the beautiful cowbane-angelica or common woodland carrot.

Flower of elder, but not the real one. This is stinking elderberry.

Sternberg's pink - usually grows higher than the Montpellier one and has only one flower per stem.

I think it is the common hawkweed. The genus of hawkweeds is very extensive and difficult to identify for non-experts. The hawkweed has characteristic leaves, which however are not visible here.

Gentian, looks like the common one. Gentians, except the three blue and rare yellow ones, are all somewhat pinkish and hard for non-experts to distinguish.

But these are not ivanščice. It is fringed catchfly.

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Apolonija13. 08. 2013 13:39:55

Vito, are you painting at home or off the books? nasmeh

You are diligent.

Brane, you're almost always photographing flowers, do you ever stay home? When will you go see edelweiss? It's wonderful now. Unfortunately I left the camera in the car.

otiv13. 08. 2013 14:19:05

Apolonija, the stemless saxifrage also had smaller flowers than the evergreen one and that's what confused me. I thought drought was the cause. Now everything is clear to me.
Helping my son nasmeh

velkavrh14. 08. 2013 07:19:21

Discussion about hawkweeds.

We have three types of blue gentians, at least I think there are three. The most common are the mountain and Triumfetti's gentian and we already confuse these two. The flower is similar in both. In the mountain one, the center of the flower is red.

For exact identification of blue gentians one must accurately photograph the flower, the involucral leaves, leaves and stem. Only then will exact identification be possible. Triumfetti's has brownish fringes of the involucral leaves therefore this is the

Among the blue ones, which there are more of, it's already a dilemma. This is Gaudin's because its color slightly pulls towards bluish and it has characteristic gray leaves, but it is not very common.

This is how the entire plant of Gaudin's gentian looks.

We can only not confuse Fritscher's gentian, because it has a characteristic full flower and characteristic leaves. It is very common.

Of the blue ones, of course the common gentian is the most frequent in valleys and foothills, but it can already confuse us because the others are similarly colored and similar.

This has characteristic involucral leaves, it is the fringed gentian.

However, it is not necessarily the case that my determination is correct.

This is what the habitat of this gentian looks like, this was the habitat above the Pekol alpine pasture in Italy last year.

I photographed the same one this year at Vogel.

I photographed this one this year in Žagarjev graben approximately in the middle on the path to the Vogel ski area and I really don't know if it was really so bluish. It seemed to me that the flowers were smaller.

This one however I photographed this year on the tour to Bavški Grintavec - it is bluish and has gray leaves.

This one however I photographed just over a week ago at Zelenica and I really don't know, it looks like the common one. But yellow ones I have never found at all.

Apolonija14. 08. 2013 08:39:44

Brane, thanks for the study. With comparison, at least I learn the most. Do you already know those characteristics of theirs by heart? Yellow rock hawkweed? I saw a lot of it on the Karst edge and now I have one in the garden too. It has already finished blooming. Have a nice time.

Apolonija14. 08. 2013 09:05:24

I went to check "zaplana.net". There are 15 hawkweeds described. Brane, maybe you didn't mean the yellow rock one, but the alpine one, which is also pale yellow??? On zaplana it distinguishes hairy hawkweed from PINNATE: "Pinnate hawkweed you will find on rocky meadows and pastures high in the Slovenian Alps, where it blooms from July to September. Even a brief glance at the inflorescence will tell you it's a hawkweed, and you can easily distinguish it from other hawkweeds by the shape of the appendages on the involucre leaves – they are linear to lanceolate with long intertwined fringes (nicely visible in the bottom photo).
In Slovenia you will find two more hawkweeds with very similar involucre appendages (hairy and narrow-scaled), only those two usually have branched stems with multiple heads, while pinnate hawkweed has unbranched stem with one head". So is it pinnate on your photo?

velkavrh14. 08. 2013 11:42:23

I was studying hawkweeds already last year, but didn't get far. I still miss 15 on my list. Basically I know characteristics of eight species. Problem is if I go to the mountains with someone else. Simply no time to photograph everything in detail - flower from different sides, leaves, stem, maybe even sacrifice a flower for study - but never protected flowers. If alone, the hike extends by about a quarter due to botanizing. Then I can really explore terrain off paths in peace without rushing, climb some rocks etc. This week going alone to Črna prst and will botanize Črna prst and nearby area all day. Already looking forward. Friday taking niece and someone to Triglav Lakes and less time for botanizing - everything more superficial. L.P.

Looks like my hawkweed is really pinnate and not hairy.

velkavrh16. 08. 2013 20:49:18

Today again to the hut at Triglav Lakes and here are a couple of pictures.

The abraščevolistni grint delights us with its orange color along the entire path.

On the Dedno polje mountain pasture there is plenty of narrow-leaved preobjeda.

There are many stands of the many-colored suholetnica.

The pot-bellied svišč is still blooming.

I find the last stand of Zois' bellflower-most have already wilted.

The alpine silene is now growing by Dvojno Lake. A month ago when I was here it was in buds.

There is also plenty of Pannonian svišč here.

On the path from Ovčarija high pasture to the Triglav Lakes hut via the lower path there is plenty of deergrass.

There are plenty of these bellflowers among the grasses.

Flower of the long-leaved avens, common at these altitudes among grasses.

These are the leaves of this grit plant.

Yellowish-white broomrape - Orobanche flava - broomrapes - found on the path by Dvojno jezero.

Sedja but a surprise that I noticed for the first time at Dvojno jezero. Already from afar, whiteness was visible along the shores. When I examined this phenomenon up close, I noticed that it consists of tiny plants that somehow grow in shallow water.

Their small white flowers float on the surface in very shallow water - shaggy water crowfoot - Ranunculus trichophyllus subsp. eradicatus.

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Apolonija16. 08. 2013 23:52:22

Brane, good evening! Even though you didn't go alone, you showed us quite a few flowers.

You're right, on the last pictures it's golden saxifrage, hairy water golden saxifrage, which is apparently quite invasive. Lp

velkavrh17. 08. 2013 04:30:54

Good morning! I read about this goldenrod. Even though I visit the Triglav Lakes valley every year around this time, I never noticed this goldenrod. The whole shore smells of blooming alpine clover. It's nice this time to go over Prode, where everything is yellow from yellow gentian-masterwort and narrow-headed gentian. At the end of Prode before the forest everything is blue from narrow-leaved gentians, also Planina Dedno polje is all blue from this gentian. At the top of Štapce saddle I found alpine speedwell, among grasses early leopard's bane is already appearing. Cyclamen is plentiful everywhere. Overall, it's surprising that the drought is not noticeable anywhere along the path from Planina Pri jezeru to the hut at Triglav Lakes.

Apolonija17. 08. 2013 08:15:48

Good morning to you too! Maybe the last rain watered the plants and they recovered a bit. I see that in the garden. You described it nicely, it tempts one to go there. I can imagine, since I saw the blue of those gentians and masterwort two years ago, currently? can't go that far.
I went to see if someone wrote about hairy goldenrods and found it at the end of Alenka's post. Maybe you'll get an answer here: http://www.gore-ljudje.net/novosti/69238/

velkavrh17. 08. 2013 17:15:17

Today already the second time this year Črna prst. I was up there about a month and a half ago. If I wanted to cover all blooming flowers in two months I'd have to go up for two weeks.

Already soon at the beginning of the path in the forest I find for the first time this year the flowering silky globeflower or candleholder.

On the botanical path almost nothing blooms anymore. Mainly the plaques with inscriptions have been removed. This is the Bavarian pasqueflower.

From the saddle towards the summit of Črna prst, flowers begin - currently the great-headed hawkweed is blooming abundantly.

Here I still find pink adder's tongue or snakeweed.

Below the hut I still find blooming silvery knawel.

From the ridge I descend towards Lisec. Here the lanced leopard's bane blooms.

Towards the bottom of the gully below Lisec there is plenty of blooming dog's-tooth violet - on the botanical path it has already wilted.

Follows almost complete exploration of the steep hay meadows of Lisec from left to right and I find the stand of alpine pasque flower.

No path leads to the stand. The stand is difficult to access and hard to find.

They were beautiful - the day was perfect.

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Apolonija17. 08. 2013 21:00:32

Brane, you're good walking so much in two days.
Until recently I didn't know saw-worts. Now I know that besides dye saw-wort higher in mountains grows subspecies (Serratula tinctoria macrocephala), in Slovenian - big-headed saw-wort. On your photo it's the latter, because heads bell-shaped not cylindrical like dye one.

I went last time from Orožnova koča on steep overgrown path to Lisec and saw quite a lot of edelweiss, saw-worts, alpine wormwood, globeflower, masterwort, Turk's-cap lily... Lp

velkavrh18. 08. 2013 05:34:51

I inquired at the hut about this path, but they discouraged it. Hunters had problems a day or two ago, so I decided to try from above. Above path leads down to Polje, Žlan, Planina Osredki, but at foot turns left to Lisec. From there I went right down that black scree and further searching slopes across, which paid off after good hour. A month and a half ago went on botanical hike with PD Škofja Loka guided by Mr. Vraber, if surname correct, who made this botanical path. He read me right away and showed approx where on Lisec alpine edelweiss grow. Can only thank him via this path. Maybe should visit him sometime, since monthly in Srednja vas.

Guided tour to hut at Triglav Lakes promised niece from Scotland already last year, so didn't miss. For Črna prst planned path too. Next year already planning to botanize Črna prst in two-week intervals, because found out one third of mountain flowers there not yet found - e.g. Pyrenean violet, mountain lady's mantle, short-hairy alpine sow-thistle, spotted rock-rose, narrow-leaved hawkweed, and liceworts here too and maybe more.

otiv18. 08. 2013 06:16:49

Some flowers that I encountered yesterday on the peaks above Sorško planina.

Jerebika, NO, this is wild elderberry whose seeds are poisonous.

Apolonija18. 08. 2013 09:22:46

BRANE, I'm already looking forward to the second year, when I can explore more. I must learn to photograph better, like you two with Vito and others, so as not to offend anyone. Probably meant Mr. Vebra, right? Vraber, or Wraber, was our known biologist.

VITO, nice flowers again. No. 3 probably yarrow, 5 and 12 marsh willowherb, 4 lousewort, 13 goldenrod. But 19 not rowan, though red fruits look similar. Look at leaves! It's red elder /Sambucus racemosa/, which grows here besides black and stinking. Some made jam from berries, but careful, remove seeds as poisonous. Lp

otiv18. 08. 2013 09:34:43

Apolonija thanks for the veeeeeery welcome help nasmeh

I didn't know that we have wild elder too. I like blueberry jam the best, so no worries velik nasmeh

Best regards!

velkavrh18. 08. 2013 14:01:00

Of course I meant Mr. Vebra. Today on a three-hour trail to Hudičev boršt.

Once cow-wheat blooms in the forests it is a sign that the end of summer is approaching.

Along the forest path also long-leaved mint.

Then the intoxicating scent of common cyclamens accompanies me through the forest for a whole hour.

On the screes, however, I encounter patches of colorful hawkweed.

When I arrive at the pasture before the Hudičevega boršta forest, it's like entering a cauldron, it was so hot at ten in the morning. Some flowers have still held on here. The most common is the scarlet (Kamnik) garlic-Allium kermesinum-alliums-Alliaceae.

Among the sharp grasses that are most resistant to drought, this common rockrose also blooms.

francimedved18. 08. 2013 21:45:12

I see you are all flower experts here. I'm interested if this flower I photographed today at Ljubelj is willowherb. Namely, my neighbor who has prostate problems asked me to bring him some. Apparently it grows only at higher altitudes (1000-1500m). Thanks.