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ljubitelj gora13. 12. 2011 14:15:41
I have for orientation nature itself, compass I have in the sky, in top season I'm mushroom picker, herbalist, stroller, moderate runner and more, map in mountains I use as aid there's nothing better than leaving those various devices home, at right moment in bad weather early return.

If choosing and money is no obstacle definitely something from Oregon, Dakota or Montana but in the end I'd decide for Oregon 450.
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Zebdi13. 12. 2011 14:27:29
Do you have a compass in the sky? By which constellations can you orient and which side of the sky can you determine?

Otherwise I'm a bit thinking about buying a GPS, and I'd ask for reasoning why exactly Oregon 450. Pros and cons mežikanje

Thanks!

Best,
P.
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lynx13. 12. 2011 14:36:32
eventually we'll all have phones with gps modules, so a separate device doesn't seem sensible to me. Due to limited battery you have to be more careful anyway or use gps really only when needed.
For self-tracking though wrist trackers are better that determine location and can also guide by azimuth, but no maps.
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ljubitelj gora13. 12. 2011 14:40:15
http://matjaz.skavt.net/Skavtstvo/ORIENTACIJA.htm

SUN: orientation with a watch. Hold the watch horizontally and rotate it until the hour hand points exactly towards the sun. Halve the angle between the direction to the sun and the direction through the 12 o'clock mark; this gives the south direction, with north behind your back. West and east are right and left, perpendicular to south-north.

MOON: the moon is Earth's satellite, rising in the east and setting in the west every day. Due to its slightly flattened elliptical orbit, we see the moon differently at different times. These shapes are called moon phases—first quarter, full moon (gibbous), last quarter, new moon. We can use the moon for orientation: full moon at 18:00 approx. E, at 24:00 S, at 6:00 W. First quarter at noon E, 18:00 S, 24:00 W. Last quarter at midnight E, 6:00 S, noon E. But at night it's better to orient by stars.

STARS: on clear nights, best orient by the North Star. First find the Big Dipper. This constellation circles the north celestial pole and never sets in our regions. Same for Polaris. As shown in the picture, extend the distance between the stars of the Big Dipper's rear axle five times to find the bright North Star, pointing exactly north.


ORIENTATION WITH THREE STICKS

Sounds crazy, but this method is most reliable, requires clear sky and lots of time. Plus, no special tools needed, just from nature.
Need one longer straight stick, two smaller sticks or stones, and something to draw a circle (shoelaces, belt, another long branch etc.).
Start in the morning, before noon. Closer to noon, less time needed.
Stick the long stick firmly in ground to stand vertical. Area must be flat. Now stick one small stick exactly where the shadow of the long stick ends. Tie string to long stick or use another to draw circle at distance to small stick (see picture), then wait until about an hour after noon.


Morning to noon, shadow shortens, then lengthens. At noon, shortest, points north. Hard to tell exactly. At end, shadow lengthens to touch circle. Then stick second small stick where shadow touches circle. Line between first and second stick is east-west.
Good to mark points regularly, any two equidistant from big stick or line between shows east-west. Useful if sky cloudy, can't mark all.


ORIENTATION WITH SUN
Here, sun daily at 6:00 AM east, 12:00 south, 18:00 west (southern hemisphere similar, but 12:00 north). If sun rises before 6 AM, few degrees north of east, at 6 exact east. If after 6, winter few degrees south of east, can't determine exact east.
Same for sunset. Sun at 9:00 SE, 15:00 SW. So noon exact south! Watch summer/winter time! Summer add hour, e.g. at twelve add one for DST.

Sky side Time Time
(winter time) (summer time)

-East - 6.00 - 7.00
-South -12.00 -13.00
-West - 18.00 - 19.00
-North Not seen! Sun below horizon


ORIENTATION WITH SUN AND WATCH
South direction surely if sunny and accurate watch. Place watch on palm horizontal, rotate till hour hand towards sun. Halve angle hour hand makes with 12. Line halving shows south when extended. Opposite north.
Examples:
At six sun exact east. Point hour hand to sun, halve to 12, get south.
6.00 AM

Similar at 9.00 ...

Same calc at 13.30 reliable …

WARNING! Like all sky calcs, watch winter/summer time. Summer use 1 (13.00) instead of 12!
ORIENTATION WITH NORTH STAR
Orienting by North Star on clear nights. This brightest star always north. Easiest with Big Dipper (Big Bear). Easy to spot, seven bright stars in cart shape (four wheels, spokes). Found it, connect rear two stars imaginary line, extend approx. five times. End is North Star. In Little Dipper (Little Bear), brightest is the one.


ORIENTATION BY MOON
Clear night, north direction also by Moon.
First quarter, lit half like D, rises around noon, 18.00 south.
Full Moon, full circle opposite sun, rises east after sunset, around midnight south, morning west.
Last quarter like C, rises midnight east, around six AM south.
New moon not seen.

ORIENTATION BY NATURAL FEATURES
When above fail, nature remains—what surrounds us, independent of weather/season. But direction not always accurate due terrain. Means deviations from wind, behind hill etc.
Ways:

• tree stumps (cut trees): annual rings (lines showing growth) tighter on north side, sparser south.

• moss: on north side of tree trunk usually more moss than south, but depends on moisture. Better check several trees.

• tree bark: besides mossier, north bark rougher, darker, often fungi, south smooth lighter.

• tree crowns: crowns usually bushier south than north.

• snow: snow melts faster south slopes, lasts longer north.
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Zebdi13. 12. 2011 14:50:35
Ah yes, copy-paste.

Well, to add a bit to your answer:

We can also orient ourselves using Cassiopeia and Orion; with the help of the first we determine Polaris and consequently north, the midline of the second shows us south. Sadly, Orion is visible only in winter months.

EDIT: Oh, and that. Polaris isn't even remotely the brightest star, as mentioned somewhere above.
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wolphgang13. 12. 2011 14:52:26
ljubitelj gora@ All nice and good, but this thread is for GPSs. Unless your goal is to dissuade people from buying them.

Anyway, which map is best for hiking in Slovenia for GARMIN OREGON 550t?
thanks
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Marky13. 12. 2011 16:06:39
I'm leaning more towards buying the Oregon 450, because it has everything the big ones have and is still quite affordable (for these devices).
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čebelar6. 01. 2012 16:53:01
Can I load Adria Route on Oregon 450 even though I have bought topo map, because once I loaded it alongside and it locked. And if Adria is there, will it guide on hiking path or not, because now that function doesn't work, it would be nice if it did.
regards
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lynx6. 01. 2012 17:36:19
Handheld devices are not meant for routing, so mostly they don't have implemented algorithms for finding the shortest path. The map you would digest nicely upon conversion, but along paths it still won't know how to guide you (would need new firmware).
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Marky13. 01. 2012 09:53:47
I hope there's nothing wrong with using this thread nasmeh
I'm interested if you use (and which) programs for planning hiking routes?

Thanks nasmeh
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Janez5213. 01. 2012 12:41:30
I have Garmin Oregon 400T. Bought abroad online. Buying abroad is cheaper compared to Slovenian sellers. Probably the risk of various inconveniences is a bit higher. But it worked out for me without problems. Oregon uses AA batteries, which is an advantage in my opinion, they last me two to three one-day hikes.
For hiking use in Slovenia I have loaded both Slovenija Topo and Adria Route. In this combination the device draws the route to the sought POI itself. However, you need to watch what mode is selected on GPS: hiking or automotive. Despite selected hiking mode GPS sometimes chooses quite illogical route, so autorouting function has limited use.
For route planning I mostly use OziExplorer, because the program uses scanned maps and therefore the view is the same as on paper maps. I use only the basic function to draw the route and then transfer it to GPS. Occasionally I also use Garmin Mapsource, which is used for loading new maps to GPS or for planning routes which you then also transfer to GPS.
It is also true, especially if I go to more unknown places, that I take a paper map with me. Sometimes I simply print the route drawn in Ozi on paper.

For some time I also used a PDA with built-in GPS and loaded Ozi Explorer with maps. But because of the battery, which lasted about 2-3 hours, I gave up.
LP
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dakota2023. 01. 2012 19:46:49
HELLO EVERYONE!

I have some questions for you if you can help or advise.

I have Dakota 20 and I'm curious:

-why on Adria Route map it doesn't show buildings (not 3D) but on topo map it does.
-why it doesn't read Austria topo from SD card (doesn't report it's locked) I have problem also with other maps if on SD card (4GB).

best regards!
thanks!
adria route1
adria topo2
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Loni23. 01. 2012 20:01:34
Why don't you call Geoset in Šenčur?
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lynx23. 01. 2012 20:20:43
buildings are probably part of the topo base, I don't know why they would have a separate layer.
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dakota2023. 01. 2012 21:19:40
I don't know why on Garmin Nuvi 2250 for road navigation it shows buildings on Adria Route 3.30 map??

Can the problem on Dakota 20 maybe be solved with settings??
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Marky24. 01. 2012 08:09:46
Do you have on Garmin set to show all details (inside settings, maps, then I think the fourth option)?
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kop3224. 01. 2012 08:34:17
Rename maps on SD from gmapsupp.img(probably already on device) to
gmapsup1.img, gmapsup2.img ...
and
gmapprom.img(if not already on device)

then they should work if unlocked.
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dakota2024. 01. 2012 16:22:12
kop32

Do you mean maybe in the text "or gmapprom.img"?
Or do I have to name the folder with that name?
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kop3226. 01. 2012 17:56:31
Yes, rename the file gmapsupp.img to
gmapprom.img or gmapsup1.img or gmapsup2.img
etc. depends how many maps you fit on SD card.
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tomiš29. 01. 2012 20:34:51
Does anyone have instructions for Forerunner 410 HR?
Please write to me.
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