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| urarrr26. 05. 2012 10:01:23 |
@marky
Found maps for mapsource..
make ftp account somewhere and send me access data via PM so I upload there. Material almost 4 GB.
Some just install, if not mistaken did that with our kato adria topo, others just copied in and fixed registry or ran file... need to fiddle a bit..
Or leave more space on ftp and I'll give img variant of all cuz I have on my machine...
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| keber122. 04. 2013 22:51:53 |
While GPS devices are accurate enough directionally (even on phones), unfortunately they greatly miss altitude, especially cumulatively. So on one of my cycling tours the GPS showed a quarter less elevation gain meters (cca 300 m) than measured with altimeter (I have Suunto Ambit, excellent thing, recommend if you can afford it). Also measured elevations at key points with GPS deviate strongly from real ones (fluctuate up to almost 50 meters up or down)
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| ljubitelj gora22. 04. 2013 23:12:58 |
There is no GPS that is 100% accurate.
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| keber123. 04. 2013 09:29:38 |
Nothing is 100%, but today's ones are good enough for directional tracking both on roads and hiking trails, deviation of a few meters from the real path (as they show on average) has no significant impact on the length of the walked distance and overall usability of these devices.
For elevation profiles, barometric altimeter is still the only sufficiently accurate choice for everyday use.
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| pohodnik3824. 04. 2013 18:28:41 |
Well this is already more like a real GPS device, looks like Google put some effort in, deviations are still there but not as big as in previous apps.
Tested today on a real tour, how it performs in mountains when in shade behind a wall still needs testing
GPS-Krvavica-Gunetova glava-Črni vrh-Tolsti vrh
Regards! Tone
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| ljubitelj gora26. 05. 2013 21:23:10 |
On my phone I loaded Garmin and used it in hills too, didn't use it in mountains, there it's not for playing, it searches almost all the time, but to use this to guide me somewhere doesn't even cross my mind. In hills/mountains I prepare differently. Had a classic GPS too, but it only shows walked path, track, and elevation, took it only 1x. So until now I do it without GPS, don't carry map always with me, but prepare well at home with various descriptions, photos and on hribi.net paths are more than well-perfectly described and unique photos attached. When you read all that, remember photos from descriptions then over time get used even without it and explore further. Once again, since I mostly hike alone to hills I mainly decide to return from tour so I know up to where I'm capable and set main limit for myself.
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| lynx26. 05. 2013 21:49:07 |
That elevation deviation between 40 and 50m is always present, but mainly due to difference in used projection, so you just subtract it.
Pespoti.si ignore measured elevations and for recorded path look at elevations on 5m national digital elevation model, which is much more accurate. Or at least in principle, because in the end very large total elevation differences come out. Need to do some controlled tests sometime.
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| pohodnik3827. 05. 2013 20:08:30 |
I agree LG the thing is meant for recording statistics, drawing walked path. For a tour you have to prepare at home anyway to know at least approximately what awaits on terrain. I do similar to you just health and years don't allow me to climb everywhere, so I choose tours matching my abilities. True is that I do much more dangerous job than hiking in mountains. In mountains so far no blood ever flowed for me though I've been hiking some years and completely alone in job almost every other day I get injured somewhere I'm glassblower by profession. So I don't know why some are so smart and have something to chatter
Regards! Tone
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| ljubitelj gora27. 05. 2013 20:58:50 |
The only sensible use for me is on return at night time. Path was known to me, but visibility is low, especially some side path quickly misleads you. Here I have no idea how to orient (marks yes, but should be frequent), if everything is so dark and when you turn off headlamp you're in dark mountain world valleys have colorful lights and that's why I bought classic GPS. Mobile (nokia e52, strong battery) empties it from morning to evening, with classic Garmin GPS battery lasts longer, and more accurate, resistant to moisture, impacts. Sunsets are nice when you know clear sky, at sunrises it can happen peak in clouds or some cloudiness somewhere (weather forecasters have little idea about mountain forecasts), but still prefer sunrises, if I go somewhere at least wait there (haven't yet). Choose paths, hills suitable for sunsets/sunrises, no special junctions. Also regarding falling rocks it's eerie when it starts rattling but can't see the rattling, hear it already, but rock has its path to withdraw timely to safety. Night world is different, preparations different, when sun hides cold presses (in autumn felt well), no hikers anymore. GRS, guides, rescuers use it.
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| gorolazka6. 10. 2013 14:18:15 |
Colorado or Oregon or ?
Hello,
time to adopt modern navigation, since so far I've relied on path descriptions and maps.
What do you recommend?
Thanks
Anja
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| Daaam6. 10. 2013 17:57:20 |
Keep relying on maps..and a bit on descriptions..! Let the navigation, if you must use it, be only for additional checking/tracking etc.. by no means take the map out of backpack.. regards
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| smatjaz7. 10. 2013 19:34:31 |
Mountaingirl, it doesn't matter which one, the question is if you're technical enough or have someone who will deal with it? Namely, it's just a "dumb" machine that you have to tell what you want from it and it will give it to you. The difference between one and the other is only in technical advancement (one is touch, the other buttons, another has useful functions you need, the other has a bit more whether you need them or not), all contain the basic function to take you where you want and on the path you want. Look, every route (track) you have to enter yourself or download some from the net etc... In short, if you'll use it for help on the way from point A to point B and along the way with its help learn some data (route length, walking time, standing time, how much to the goal, compass, sunrise and sunset, drawing the profile of the walked route and a whole bunch of other data) the basic one is perfectly fine, but if you want to play a bit more with data then a more advanced one. Here I paste links to both, take a look at the difference, if you want some more info you can contact me on ZS or 041/816 504 links: http://garmin.si/view_product.php?cat_id=48&product=010-00622-32
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http://www.garmin.si/view_product.php?cat_id=52&product=010-00697-01%20
PS: the main thing is which maps the device has loaded because without them it's just an electronic box, the maps you have to buy extra for the device can be quite expensive, you can check that on Garmin's website.
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| ljubitelj gora13. 10. 2013 20:37:59 |
I turned on Garmin TOPO on Nokia X6 today, I don't usually use this GPS, this time I made an exception. It looks something like this, the swinging is normal because the GPS antenna is worse in phones, this TOPO map will also be on other handheld GPS devices.
Mountain rescuers and others use GPS anyway, it's good to have something like that with you, if by accident darkness catches you in the mountains or fog. You get lost quickly in fog. Maybe it's really best for the first push to buy a phone with GPS and play around with it a bit, later if money is no obstacle a handheld for 200-300 euros. Absolutely touch, because I had Nokia E52 too and moving the map with those buttons is very time-consuming. Up, down, left, right, button, button 
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| pohodnik3822. 10. 2013 20:02:08 |
@Lg how much deviation? if 3m it's still ok but if 10m then in mountains it's no longer pleasant. Otherwise with each new generation of smartphones navigation is also more accurate now with 4-core processors around 3m....and also misleading regarding data. Last time they sent me to Ljubljana I got lost I ended up somewhere on Barje and instead of Moste and barely saved it. In the end I found that company but they were already closing so I just dropped off the products and went back empty to MB. It is true they sent me so late and also drop something in CE and in Ljubečna get with carpenter...etc...and also old wreck that doesn't fly more than 100 km/h on highway I was quite happy where it was going down that I got it to 120 km/h. That's enough about these navigations. The best is still paper map and study things at home remember in head and that's it.
Regards! Tone
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| keber123. 10. 2013 21:56:54 |
Hm, 10m deviation no longer pleasant? You use eyes too, right?
In mountains you can be happy if it catches anything at all, when you're under (or in) some north face, possibly still in some forest (say initial ascent from Kot valley). In north chimneys it makes a complete mess anyway, tracking shows you half a kilometer instead of 50m climbed path.
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| smatjaz23. 10. 2013 22:01:00 |
 pohodnik38, as I already said: it's just a "dumb" machine that you have to tell what you want from it and it will give it to you! For good operation you need the latest map version and above all correctly set device (tell it what you want from it). If you delve into it and set it correctly, believe me it won't leave you in the lurch and take you where you didn't want. I'm user of 4 different GPS devices
(by job duty) and since I follow all the tips I gave you too things work! True is that hiking one sometimes acts up because it loses signal - in remote areas, forests, deep ravines...etc, but the routes I prepare, I always prepare on paper map, enter them into hiking GPS and walk marked paths, GPS serves me to confirm correct direction, in case of poor visibility, because it draws the walked path I can easily return on the same path back and for recording data on walked path - height, length, time....etc. 100% reliance on device is dangerous, because it will either "die" when least needed, or batteries will run out..... but it has the advantage that when catching satellites and in case of accident you can precisely report your position with its help. Even so when you zoom out the picture on screen it shows which peaks or roads are near you, or you can orient via map, (it helped me several times in KSA before I knew them and got into foggy peaks), compass helps too, device also shows direction where desired hut or home is, but caution only straight line, safe path you have to find yourself.
Best regards Matjaž
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| Daaam24. 10. 2013 08:29:52 |
I personally don't see a reason to use GPS in our mountains.. I don't claim it really doesn't help sometimes if you have it. However our hills are not that vast that this would be "necessarily" needed. I'm not the type of mountaineer who adds up ascents in detail, kilometers, hours and minutes and I'm sure GPS maybe spoils you a bit too much or kills your sense of observing where you walk, orientation etc etc.. If you're not sure during the tour how the weather will be, you have to watch the sky, not update weather forecast on smartphone. Regarding locating in possible accident, rescuers have been warning for a long time that coordinates they report are most often wrong (if obtained from "smartphones")- I don't know about pro GPS versions..
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| pohodnik3824. 10. 2013 18:28:24 |
I agree with all comments above. I also don't use it to look during the tour where I'm walking. It's true that before the start of the tour I set it to record where I walk. On the path itself I prepare at home anyway; on the internet you find everything if you want, there is also printed literature, paper maps... etc. Adventurer anyway you have to be if you go off-path, with poor personal orientation you have nothing to seek there. I use it at work for finding object locations and can say it's about 90% accurate.
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