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| zdomec28. 12. 2016 17:02:20 |
What Lijaneja wrote above holds true and is the only correct thing. Bivouacs are objects meant as shelters in case of need. At least before 70-60 years they were built for that. Unfortunately we live in a time when some idiots come up with some "union tourism" and organize various parties and other things in bivouacs. For the one who wants to overnight in a bivouac before a hard tour, no problem to get the key if the bivouac is locked.
What can that mountaineer do if a storm catches him or something worse, and he stands in front of a locked bivouac?
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| ljubitelj gora28. 12. 2016 17:38:59 |
Exactly so, because people take bivouacs for whor*ng partying and deliberate sleeping, so they simply locked it. It can't be explained to Slovenes and especially foreigners that huts are for sleeping, bivouacs only for emergency.
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| SamoK28. 12. 2016 18:04:03 |
If bivouacs really only allowed survival and nothing more, no need to lock them. But if architects build monuments that fit better in Tivoli, and everything is polished, no wonder people want to spend a pleasant night there just so.
Locked bivouac is of course (bad) oxymoron.
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| GregorC28. 12. 2016 18:08:38 |
Ouch, Matej, did you read what you wrote? According to you I must in case I seek shelter in bivouac or even plan a tour where night in bivouac because too long in one day and no hut in area, spend that night in bivouac
If bivouac locked then it's not bivouac, but already almost small ascetic apartment you can use only with prior planning. In emergency stay outside with long nose.
Yeah... those Czechs huh Again barbaric foreigners came handy for us.
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| ZeK28. 12. 2016 18:20:37 |
if the bivouacs are locked, it's better that they don't exist.
a locked bivouac is somewhere in the range of having an empty spare tire in your car.
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| VanSims28. 12. 2016 18:21:09 |
@GregorC:
Probably he read it and is right. And I'm sure he didn't mean that you have to stay awake in the bivouac. Again we're hanging on words and twisting them.
I do agree though, Czechs are just an excuse, Slovenes no better. And since little Slovene understands only the language of force, we fuck others too. Basically or in culturally more developed countries, bivouacs really have the function as described by @zdomec.
And yes perhaps @SamoK is at least partially right too. Abroad bivouacs are containers (mostly Italy) or nice small wooden huts (mostly Austria and which might even be more attractive for some parties but there the culture is simply incomparable to ours) not some fancy schmancy creatures.
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| Trobec28. 12. 2016 18:27:38 |
Well yeah... PD Bovec decided as they did, they have their arguments. But that someone gets caught in a storm and then stands in front of a locked bivouac is contrary to the basic purpose of the bivouac.
But this time I quite agree with what @SamoK wrote, if the bivouac was "ugly" probably there wouldn't even be a "need" to lock it.
But this with the locked bivouac will probably remain another never-finished debate... similar to when to use winter gear, climbing harness, SVK, and what footwear is suitable for high mountains, etc...
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| ljubitelj gora28. 12. 2016 18:29:56 |
Yeah, and you can't believe PD Bovec decided that, and what's the point and why be a PD member . Being enrolled in PD, you get closed doors in return. hehe
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| Guest28. 12. 2016 18:37:45 |
According to the definition of the Alpine Association of Slovenia these bivouacs in terms of operation are unstaffed mountain huts.....so?
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| Becar28. 12. 2016 18:52:00 |
I don't know why we're even talking about a bivouac. A locked building simply never was and never will be a bivouac.
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| jax28. 12. 2016 18:54:28 |
zdomec
28.12.2016 What Lijaneja wrote above holds true and is the only correct thing. Bivouacs are objects meant as shelters in an emergency. At least before the 70s-60s they were also built for that. Unfortunately we live in a time when some idiots think up some "syndical tourism" and organize various parties and other things in bivouacs. For the one who wants to overnight in a bivouac before a strenuous tour, it's no problem to get the key if the bivouac is locked.
But what should that mountaineer do if a storm catches him or something worse, and he stands frightened in front of the locked bivouac?
Well, that's of course not true. After all, our bivouacs from 1 to 4 are classic examples of bivouacs that didn't arise as emergency shelters, but as objects for overnighting at the starting point of climbing ascents - number one in Škrlatica and Rakova špica, number two on Martuljek ridges, number three in Široka peč, Oltar and elsewhere, number four in Stenar. In reality, for all alpine bivouacs their original purpose was planned overnighting, shelter in emergency was just an addition.
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| Guest28. 12. 2016 19:10:31 |
jax, spot on
Nice memories when we went climbing and could spend the night in the bivouac, and leave excess gear, food, water there... The bivouac can offer you a better springboard to conquer the mountain, or just climb the wall, since you don't have to do everything in one day. Sometimes we didn't have sleeping bags in abundance either, but the "hard horse blankets" you found in the bivouac or winter room were worth gold. But are reservations for New Year's Eve in the bivouac under Skuta still accepted, or is it maybe already booked? What about bivouac II, is there maybe still some space there?
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| GregorC29. 12. 2016 13:41:41 |
Jax, bravo and plus for what you wrote.
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| ZeK29. 12. 2016 14:21:27 |
bivouacs were indeed used in the past mainly for the purposes described by Jax.
today there are different times and different (also logistical) options for planning ascents.
we also have the TNP law, which clearly defines that a bivouac is an object that provides shelter in the high mountains.
if today we were to build bivouacs as starting point objects, then three citizens can establish a new mountaineering club, build under their favorite wall an object that will provide them overnighting before ascents, and lock it.
I'm against building new bivouacs, for those that exist, let the shelter rules apply.
if there are violations, it's not solved with a key, but rather with supervision. after all, even those with the key often use the bivouac for all sorts of other things than what it's basically intended for.
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| Becar29. 12. 2016 15:53:36 |
Something here stinks or just doesn't add up. PZS wrote that this "bivouac" is not meant for vacationing, but as a shelter in emergency. The key is available in some valley cafe. So you have to know in advance that you'll need an emergency shelter. Or if bad conditions catch you, you go to the valley for the key and come back. Hello?! Is someone making fun of us here? Even a 10-year-old kid understands something's wrong. Precisely the purposeful key reservation encourages vacationing. Maybe hoping for more traffic in the cafe? This is ripe for the Ombudsman. Reminds me of forced payment for museum ticket in the past to get the SPP stamp. Or hiding the stamp under the counter so you'll drink something more. Just write PRIVATE on this box and it's solved.
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| SamoK29. 12. 2016 16:03:07 |
But if we're completely honest, it has to be quite an emergency to go sleep in such a shack.
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| Becar29. 12. 2016 16:07:49 |
Regarding the construction, one more concern: if someone accidentally cuts the last two cables, won't the whole thing go to pieces?
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